[NEW] Installer's Systainer Set, Edge Sanding Guide, CT 48 E AutoClean HEPA (US)

[ChuckM]

I wonder if this will work with the RTS and DTS sanders too - same body as the ETS.

I certainly hope so.  [big grin]  The sanding guide is split in-half and gets fastened around the sander with 2 bolts so it's not exactly a quick-on, quick-off operation. I could see leaving one of these on the RTSC sander as a semi-permanent edger.

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I'm sure some smart woodworker will come up with a shop-made version of the edge sanding guide for his or her sander that's not compatible with the new Festool product. Such a shop-made version can be made out of plywood and some bolt/nut inserts.

 

[Scott in San Diego]

I wonder if this will work with the RTS and DTS sanders too - same body as the ETS.

I certainly hope so.  [big grin]  The sanding guide is split in-half and gets fastened around the sander with 2 bolts so it's not exactly a quick-on, quick-off operation. I could see leaving one of these on the RTSC sander as a semi-permanent edger.

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Without modification, it appears there would be an interference between the attachment dust shroud and either of the RTS or DTS sanding pads.

 

[Svar]

I'm sure some smart woodworker will come up with a shop-made version of the edge sanding guide for his or her sander that's not compatible with the new Festool product. Such a shop-made version can be made out of plywood and some bolt/nut inserts.

It'll be even easier to do for Rotex and RAS since those have threaded mounting holes.
When I chose a tool, whether it is belt sander, planer, drill, etc., mounting options are always a big consideration. Who knows what jig you might come up with in the future.

 

[nvalinski]

Question in regards to the Table 1 compliance... it looks like this is a new AC 0.3 micron HEPA filter (vs. the original AC 1 micron filter) which can be used for the CT 36 AC as well. Does that make existing CT 36 ACs Table 1 compliant as well? Is that rating with the self cleaning bag or with the plastic lining bag? Glad to see these finally meet the OSHA compliance.

 

[morts10n]

How is that adapter from 36mm to 27mm new?
I've had one for 6 years now. Seems like I bought it in NA too.

 

[Shane Holland]

How is that adapter from 36mm to 27mm new?
I've had one for 6 years now. Seems like I bought it in NA too.

Until now, it was only available in Europe and other countries. I *think* I remember a forum members importing a batch of them for resell in the U.S. a few years ago.

 

[Shane Holland]

Question in regards to the Table 1 compliance... it looks like this is a new AC 0.3 micron HEPA filter (vs. the original AC 1 micron filter) which can be used for the CT 36 AC as well. Does that make existing CT 36 ACs Table 1 compliant as well? Is that rating with the self cleaning bag or with the plastic lining bag? Glad to see these finally meet the OSHA compliance.

[member=67061]nvalinski[/member], I missed seeing your questions.  [embarassed]

Yes, the HEPA filter can be fitted into the CT 36 AC. Festool does not specify which bag is required, most likely because the compliance is based on the HEPA filter, not the collection bag. Of course, you'll want to consult your local guidelines for proper disposal and transport of debris. I would recommend the filter bag because it does offer better collection and containment.

Let's see if [member=101]Festool USA[/member] [member=71429]DerickC[/member] or [member=47173]Brent Shively[/member] can help verify that for us.

 

[elfick]

How is that adapter from 36mm to 27mm new?
I've had one for 6 years now. Seems like I bought it in NA too.

Yep, I bought one back in 2014 from a vacuum supply place for like $20. Looks exactly the same as far as I can tell. Posted about it here:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/hose-adaptor/msg335868/#msg335868

But it's nice that Festool is finally offering one directly.

 

[nvalinski]

Question in regards to the Table 1 compliance... it looks like this is a new AC 0.3 micron HEPA filter (vs. the original AC 1 micron filter) which can be used for the CT 36 AC as well. Does that make existing CT 36 ACs Table 1 compliant as well? Is that rating with the self cleaning bag or with the plastic lining bag? Glad to see these finally meet the OSHA compliance.

[member=67061]nvalinski[/member], I missed seeing your questions.  [embarassed]

Yes, the HEPA filter can be fitted into the CT 36 AC. Festool does not specify which bag is required, most likely because the compliance is based on the HEPA filter, not the collection bag. Of course, you'll want to consult your local guidelines for proper disposal and transport of debris. I would recommend the filter bag because it does offer better collection and containment.

Let's see if [member=101]Festool USA[/member] [member=71429]DerickC[/member] or [member=47173]Brent Shively[/member] can help verify that for us.

Thanks - that makes some sense that either would work, though I guess I imagine maybe the plastic bags are actually preferable for concrete dust in the same way that they are preferable for drywall dust? I know the fleece filter bags can clog up with the finer dust.

 

[DerickC]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] in short, the updated filter is the key. The filtration and strength to handle the AC process is what sets the filter apart.

Question in regards to the Table 1 compliance... it looks like this is a new AC 0.3 micron HEPA filter (vs. the original AC 1 micron filter) which can be used for the CT 36 AC as well. Does that make existing CT 36 ACs Table 1 compliant as well? Is that rating with the self cleaning bag or with the plastic lining bag? Glad to see these finally meet the OSHA compliance.

[member=67061]nvalinski[/member], I missed seeing your questions.  [embarassed]

Yes, the HEPA filter can be fitted into the CT 36 AC. Festool does not specify which bag is required, most likely because the compliance is based on the HEPA filter, not the collection bag. Of course, you'll want to consult your local guidelines for proper disposal and transport of debris. I would recommend the filter bag because it does offer better collection and containment.

Let's see if [member=101]Festool USA[/member] [member=71429]DerickC[/member] or [member=47173]Brent Shively[/member] can help verify that for us.

 

[Shane Holland]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] in short, the updated filter is the key. The filtration and strength to handle the AC process is what sets the filter apart.

[member=71429]DerickC[/member] can you give guidance on whether the liner or filter bag or using either suitable for OSHA compliance?

 

[DerickC]

Shane, the included bags would need to be changed according to the needs of the Jobsite/application (i.e. textured ceiling/drywall, etc.) with the upgraded filter being the key.

 

[Shane Holland]

Thanks, Derick.  [thumbs up]

 

[DeformedTree]

I'm confused, and some of this may be Festool naming,  are folks saying the edge sanding tool doesn't work with the corded sanders??  ETS-EC 125?

 

[Shane Holland]

I'm confused, and some of this may be Festool naming,  are folks saying the edge sanding tool doesn't work with the corded sanders??  ETS-EC 125?

[member=68063]DeformedTree[/member] yup, the Festool model numbers can be confusing since they're so similar.

The edge sanding guide is NOT compatible with the ETS EC 125 (brushless corded) sander.

It is only compatible with the PRO 5, ETS 125 REQ (Corded) and the ETSC 125 (Cordless) sanders.

 

[Alanbach]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] - So regarding the combo kit that is the ETS (corded) and the edge sander attachment. I have a couple of questions. 1. I see in the description on your website that the edge sanding attachment does not fit in the systainer. Do you know if there will be a Systainer insert that will accommodate both the sander and attachment, either assembled or separately? If not is there a Systainer insert that will accommodate this edge sander and it’s accessories alone in its own Systainer? 2. Regarding the accessory bases for the edge sanding attachment, can you provide a little more color into what the base is that comes with it vs. what the additional bases are and what they do? TIA

 

[DeformedTree]

I'm confused, and some of this may be Festool naming,  are folks saying the edge sanding tool doesn't work with the corded sanders??  ETS-EC 125?

[member=68063]DeformedTree[/member] yup, the Festool model numbers can be confusing since they're so similar.

The edge sanding guide is NOT compatible with the ETS EC 125 (brushless corded) sander.

It is only compatible with the PRO 5, ETS 125 REQ (Corded) and the ETSC 125 (Cordless) sanders.

Wait,  Festool has made a new item, that doesn't work with the most current model, but does work with the older models??? 

This tool just went from being a great add on, to possibly one of the dumbest things Festool has done.

 

[Shane Holland]

[member=48572]Shane Holland[/member] - So regarding the combo kit that is the ETS (corded) and the edge sander attachment. I have a couple of questions. 1. I see in the description on your website that the edge sanding attachment does not fit in the systainer. Do you know if there will be a Systainer insert that will accommodate both the sander and attachment, either assembled or separately? If not is there a Systainer insert that will accommodate this edge sander and it’s accessories alone in its own Systainer? 2. Regarding the accessory bases for the edge sanding attachment, can you provide a little more color into what the base is that comes with it vs. what the additional bases are and what they do? TIA

Hey, [member=66185]Alanbach[/member]. Glad to help out.

1) We are just offering these as a kit to help our customers with buying the right combination of sander to go with the edge sanding guide. Festool prohibits any discounting, so there's no cost savings, it's just for convenience. That said, Festool does offer this as a proper kit in Europe and it comes with a Systainer­³ M 337 included which will accommodate the tool and sanding guide. This combo was not introduced in the U.S. offerings. If you'd like to know what size T-LOC would be able to handle both, let me know and I'll reach out to FUSA for guidance since we don't have the edge sanding guide to test fitment ourselves.

2) The edge sanding guide (205316) includes everything you need. The other accessories are replacements and/or consumables. The 205491 (for general use) and 205492 (for delicate surfaces) bases are sold as replacement items in case the base is damaged or misplaced, and are included with 205316. The "velour" liners are for use with delicate surfaces and attach to the hook-and-loop on the 205492 to provide a protection surface to prevent marring and scratching. These are consumables and can be replaced as needed as they are worn.

Let me know if you have other questions. Glad to help.

Shane - signing off for the night

 

[Shane Holland]

Wait,  Festool has made a new item, that doesn't work with the most current model, but does work with the older models??? 

This tool just went from being a great add on, to possibly one of the dumbest things Festool has done.

Yup, doesn't work with the newer low-profile brushless corded models unfortunately. Disappointing, yes. Very unlike Festool, yes. They are usually very keen to make sure everything works within the "system" and is compatible. This is an exception to that system approach philosophy. Not sure why because I think it should be compatible with all of the random orbit sanders, including the 6"ers.  [unsure]

 

[DeformedTree]

I was planning to buy one from the moment I saw it.  This is just so stupid I can barely comment.

I get not doing it for 150 as it would probably mean a whole other unit, and that is a big sander to use on an edge. Obviously if you only have a 150mm sander, you want one, but just having giant sander is odd to me.  Of course someone could then say why not make this just for the 90mm sanders.

Also designing it for the battery sanders....why?  Cordless sanders only have a limited amount of logic in the first place, as dust collection on sanders is a must for the most part and one of the core concepts, like the other tools, once you are connected to an extractor, the cord doesn't matter much.  Cordless makes sense more for working up on a ladder someplace, and for that, you won't be using this add on.  It's pretty much an add on for working in shops. It's basically a tool for working on doors and table tops, and cabinets.

To be blunt, if it only worked on ETS EC 125, I could understand that.  But to make it not work on the most obvious sander for such a tool, I just can't grasp that.