New Metabo Sliding compound mitre saw

mwahaha said:
rizzoa13 said:
In a realistic application though what're you cutting that's thicker than a 2x4 but thinner than a 4x4? 12/4 boards? I can't really think of any trim that's thicker than 70mm but I don't see being able to cut baseboards standing up and using the sym fence unless it's the short cheap stuff from the box stores.
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My Hitachi 10" cuts 100mm x 295mm and compounds 60 x 220. So I can (and do) cut posts, one piece lintels, compound angles on framing, right bevel more than 25mm (that metabo could only do 22mm).

Don't get me wrong, I think it looks like a nice saw, but I just think its retarded that manufactures limit 10" saws like this when they don't need to. A lot of people only have one saw, certain Makita's, Hitachi's and Dewalt's are so popular because you can almost do everything with the one saw
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Its not a 10" saw its blade is 216mm (8 1/2")
 
First off hats off to metabo for finally making a dual bevel scms with a small blade. (Hitachi used to make such a beast but only for Japan?).
Once the paint drys I think This is no kapex beater. At 40 lbs it's not lighter enough to justify the smaller cutting capacity. Furthermore I think not being able to miter 60 degrees is a shortcoming. I think there is a little to much fantasy about this saw on this thread, it looks cheap with skinny rails. But we shall see. If they got rid of that silly gimmicky moveable fence(more moving parts more problems) added 60 degree miter and shaved 5 lbs now maybe we got something.
 
We really don't know the quality of it so sure that is just speculation. I'll play Devils advocate though and say that:

1. It is lighter than a kapex
2. It has an added sym fence feature (even if you don't use it all the time I can see the applications.
3. It's most likely cheaper than a kapex (speculation)
4. There's a chance it won't have the same motor issues that the kapex does (don't jump on me here. I've experienced it and it sucks)
5. Everyone harping on the lack of the ug cart. Check out the new cart that's also being released with it. Loks like a Bosch gravity type cart with outrigger arms and it looks STURDY.

So let's not discount it, it could be a useful tool.
 
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.
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Lemwise said:
Metabo isn't really thought of as pro gear in The Netherlands and when I need a tool it certainly isn't a brand that I would consider. For some reason it has a very distinct DIY image. This saw however looks very nice indeed.
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I've always used  Metabo  drills  and angle grinders. For quality  and robustness  hard to beat. Certainly not diy.
 
Just another take on the is/is not better than/comparable to a Kapex line of thinking - I do no need nor want a Kapex, but I would love to have a compact & quality SCMS that could handle 8-10" (dare I hope for 12"?) material up to ~3" thick and it furniture-grade accurate and clean-cutting.

A Kapex is overkill for me, I will never cut a piece of crown or anything taller than 2-3". I also would not pay Kapex-type $$ for a saw, but depending on how optimistic I was feeling on that particular day I might get close to $1K.

I have to admit I have not paid a lot of attention to it's form factor but at first impression I could justify the space penalty for this saw. One thing I avoid is any commonly used tool that I have to move/set up before I can us it, a saw like this in particular. It all seems moot right now since chances are it may never hit our shores.

Just my [2cents].

RMW
 
tomtom1984 said:
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.
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I do like Makita but it seems that they cannot stick with a design for their sliders
I remember they used to have a 12" with a single large pole
Then they had the rails moving under the table
Then they went with rails on top behind the saw head
Then the dual rails one at top and one at bottom under the table
Now it shows a saw with rails stack top bottom on the side kind of like the Hitachi
Why are they contently redesigning their miter saws?
Their saws are one thing I don't really care for
They seems to have too many mix reviews
 
mastercabman said:
tomtom1984 said:
As we are talking about compact saws I thought I might give you guys another possible option.
Only currently available in Japan and depth of cut is a little less again at 65mm but with a large slide and only weighing 12.4kg this thing is tiny! Perfect if like me you need your saw to be portable. Its the makita ls0717.
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I do like Makita but it seems that they cannot stick with a design for their sliders
I remember they used to have a 12" with a single large pole
Then they had the rails moving under the table
Then they went with rails on top behind the saw head
Then the dual rails one at top and one at bottom under the table
Now it shows a saw with rails stack top bottom on the side kind of like the Hitachi
Why are they contently redesigning their miter saws?
Their saws are one thing I don't really care for
They seems to have too many mix reviews
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I'm guessing that by moving the rails to the side it allows a double bevel facility while keeping the saw compact? Personally I really like makitas saws they are simple, lightweight and very accurate. The only makita saw I don't like is the plunge saw.
 
I used previously a lot of miter saws,and hands down the best is - Dewalt!
And does't matter what model.
Except maybe ... Kapex,but for a $$$ it has a lot of problems...

Dewalt DW713,14 years old,still working without any problems,no problems with engine,no problems with table and etc.
Perfectly balanced and amazingly comfortable!
Its just working!
Same about Dewalt drill and other tools.
Cold,warm,rain,dust....doesn't matter!
Its just working and working perfectly!
;)

I want to try some day Kapex,I used it just once and its absolutely amazing saw!
 
The price of the new Metabo is announced in Germany.
METABO KGSV 72 XACT SYM 1,8KW at €751,62 incl. MwSt.
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Untidy Shop said:
Interesting price; that's  Aus$1102. Will probably be more when importation costs and our GST is added.

Meantime, SYM Symmetric is Aus$1595.http://www.festool.com.au/epages/tooltechnic.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/tooltechnic/Products/561304
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Metabo Oz pricing seems to be pretty competitive ... They seem to be willing to compete in the marketplace rather than trying to manipulate it !!

We may be surprised [wink] ... Now, do I really need a third SCMS? [scratch chin]

[member=19746]Untidy Shop[/member]
 
I'm sure that's also an introductory RRP. Probably takes at least €100 off that once physical stock hits the shops after a few months of fulfilling initial orders.
 
Looking forward to hearing about the impressions of this once it has been used, then a year later, than 6 years later.

Peter
 
[size=13pt]Interesting that some are still attempting to compare this saw with the Kapex, when it has a smaller blade and is in fact a hybrid of a Festool SCM type design and a sliding compound. With a 70mm depth of cut, the same as the Festool SCM, this is more a cabnitary, final fix, installation type of saw.

As to how long it will last? Remember Metabo too, like Festool probably has a few duds in a vast sea of reliable high quality German designed products.
 
Kev said:
Just noticed on metabo.com.au that this is to be released for June 2016 here.
http://www.metabo.com.au/KGSV-72-Xact-SYM-mitre-saw.57201.0.html

I haven't seen a price, so let's have a guess ... I'll start with $825  [smile]

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[member=13058]Kev[/member]
I decided I am getting an Erika85, so it will double as a Kapex/Metabo SCMS, and a contractor saw. A bit more than the $825, plus $1250 of the deWalt 245 contractors saw. But I really don't need the SCMS very often. But I need a table saw.
 
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