New one to me

[tjbnwi]

The owner noticed the granite counter top had shifted 1/2-3/4".

No problems for 15 years, then this.

Tom

 

[erock]

[eek]    [scared]    [eek]

  Do you get to fix this? 

 

[tjbnwi]

The wall moved a wee bit. Amazing none of the grout joints cracked.

Tom

 

[semenza]

Gee , what a surprise. It broke right where someone removed 75% of the wood through three supporting 2xs  :

Seth

 

[tjbnwi]

[eek]    [scared]    [eek]

   Do you get to fix this? 

Yes. I just ordered the stud shoe for it. It's is actually coming from a supplier in your area.

If the job would have been done  properly with the shoe installed to begin with, this would have never happened.

Now I have to gently persuade the stub back in place and install the shoe.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Gee , what a surprise. It broke right where someone removed 75% of the wood through three supporting 2xs   :

Seth

The HSS2-3-SDS3 shoe should have gone on the studs. It is a code requirement in this situation. The plumber and inspector dropped the ball on this one.

http://www.strongtie.com/products/connectors/hss-ss.asp

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

I've never seen self gauging cedar bevel siding before this job either.

Tom

 

[deepcreek]

That's a new one to me as well but not surprising as it's difficult to run a plumbing vent in a 2x4 wall.

That's why I always specify a 2x6 wall behind sinks, toilets, tubs, and showers.

It looks like it failed at the corner under the kickout window.  Was that load the killer or did it transfer down from the roof?

This is the reason I worry about the durability of houses built to the "green" standards with less studs that are farther apart.

Should be a fun repair!

 

[tiralie]

Now I have to gently persuade the stub back in place and install the shoe.

Should be interesting...

 

[CarolinaNomad]

This is perfect timing.  I've been trying to get in touch with my structural engineer today to see if I can run a 1 1/2" drain pipe through 2x8 ceiling joists for the HVAC system.  The only load on the 2x8 joists is the HVAC system and whoever is maintaining the system.  But I would rather error on the strong side.  I imagine this stud shoe would be more than sufficient.  Thanks!!

Jeff

 

[tjbnwi]

Joe,

I don't think the header had anything to do weigh the failure. There is a second floor above this with a continuous rim on the 2 top plates. No cracks in the second floor drywall and the shoe is still tight to the hardwood floor. I think our crazy weather cycles this year got to it. As I stated the proper stud shoe from the beginning and this never happens.

I agree 2x6's would have helped, problem. They could have changed back to 2x4's once they got to the bay you see in the pictures.

I won't start on how I hate all the green stuff (besides money of course), Shane would have to issue his first life time ban if I did.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

This is perfect timing.  I've been trying to get in touch with my structural engineer today to see if I can run a 1 1/2" drain pipe through 2x8 ceiling joists for the HVAC system.  The only load on the 2x8 joists is the HVAC system and whoever is maintaining the system.  But I would rather error on the strong side.  I imagine this stud shoe would be more than sufficient.  Thanks!!

Jeff

Yes you can. You must stay in the center 1/3 of the joist height. The joist is neutral in the center 1/3. The top 1/3 is under compression, the bottom 1/3 is under tension. The taller the joist, the larger each third the more load it can carry.

One thing you may not know is that as of June 1st Southern Pine has been down graded. The allowable spans have been decreased. This affects treated lumber also as most is Southern Pine.

Tom

 

[roblg3]

ooh, had not heard that!  Thank you. I am called captain overkill though, so i shouldn't have a big problem...

 

[bigjonh]

Wow, that's a good one. I'm so excited to read a post about actual work! Thanks!

 

[wow]

I am called captain overkill though...

That's funny!

My daughter calls me the king of overbuild. She loves telling people how I mortised a 3x12 into the 6x6 posts on my deck. What can I say - I like to sleep nights...

 

[Brice Burrell]

....One thing you may not know is that as of June 1st Southern Pine has been down graded. The allowable spans have been decreased. This affects treated lumber also as most is Southern Pine.

Tom

Interesting, I didn't hear that either.

 

[deepcreek]

They've been talking about doing it for several years.  Almost all the Southern Yellow Pine these days is fast growth and nothing like the wood we used to get.

 

[tbellemare]

The owner noticed the granite counter top had shifted 1/2-3/4".

No problems for 15 years, then this.

Tom

I just really noticed this, Tom. I normally examine your posts pretty carefully to learn something...

Three times zero equals zero - Darn...

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

The owner noticed the granite counter top had shifted 1/2-3/4".

No problems for 15 years, then this.

Tom

I just really noticed this, Tom. I normally examine your posts pretty carefully to learn something...

Three times zero equals zero - Darn...

Tom

Stay tuned, you may learn some new combinations of words if the tile or counter breaks when I move this assembly back in place to install the shoe.

Tom

 

[tiralie]

Stay tuned, you may learn some new combinations of words if the tile or counter breaks when I move this assembly back in place to install the shoe.

I think I heard something from here...ya, unfortunately those words are not new to me.
Good luck.
Tim