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[Dan Clark]

Shane,

Very nice work on the sites!  They've got a seriously high drool factor!  I thought the intro to the MFT3 was exceptional!

Regards,

Dan.

 

[jonny round boy]

I'm a bit sad that only one leg of the MFT3 is adjustable. That keeps it from rocking, i guess, but you can't make it level so your screwdriver doesn't roll off and in to that bucket of paint that someone put there.

No, that's what the V groove around the edge is for - to catch screwdrivers/pencils that roll off the table top... ;D

 

[TahoeTwoBears]

Do we think there's going to be intro pricing???

Or a router/table package? Already have the DC covered.

 

[Bob Marino]

Do we think there's going to be intro pricing???

Or a router/table package? Already have the DC covered.

Mike there will be no intro pricing on the tools.

Bob

 

[Dixon Peer]

The new tools look incredible, but those prices, if they are right, wow!

The 2200 is definately a WOW!  But WOW!!!!  I can't wait to put it head to head with the 7518.  Free handing raised panels perhaps..."Portable Shaper Anyone?"  $800 is correct

The MFK700 is gonna be hot.  Like I said, this will be the "go-to" router for sure!  $510 for the set

The MFT/3 and the new tweeks look awesome!  The angle arm slides to give added work space, and rigidity, it looks like a good deal to me, It'll definitely sell big even at $575

Some other kewl additions are "Sam's Club/Costco" bags.  Can I say that?  I haven't done the math yet, but there will be 20 packs for the 22 $100, and 20 pack for the 33 $110.  My head is spinning...somebody post the math.

The Base Kit for the 2200 router is two fold.  There is an "Inches" version for $310 and a "Metric" version for $400.  The kie has the various bases and template guides.  Again, Pricey But "Dude, It's a Honkin' Router that can tear it up!"

I'm sure it's a "honkin" router that can tear it up, but you can only get so much horsepower out of a 115 volt machine...And at a breathtaking price.  WOW is right.

 

[Texastutt]

I would like to know if the legs are going to available to retro fit on our MFT's so that the MFT and MFT3 are compatible heights? Or do I get my welder to raise my unit?

 

[Frank Pellow]

I would like to know if the legs are going to available to retro fit on our MFT's so that the MFT and MFT3 are compatible heights? Or do I get my welder to raise my unit?

The new and old tables are at different heights.  The new ones are higher.  But, it is easy to put purpose-built blocks under the legs of the tables (as I have done) to raise the height.

 

[Daviddubya]

If you plug the 2200 router into your Festool dust extractor, what size circuit will you need to run the pair?  It seems they will draw more than 20 amps at 110 volts.  Hmmm.

 

[Dan Clermont]

Alright, I caved and watched the videos. I wish the windows were a bit larger or maybe their was an option I missed to make it full screen.

Of the three new tools I'd like the MFK 700. I think I would live without the OF 2200 although it sure has allot of nice features. Do those engineers at the Festool head office ever stop coming up with innovative tools ?????!!!! What a forward thinking company

Anyhow, I am glad I live in Canada and they probably are not avail here unless I wanna get searched crossing the US/Canada border and buy it in the US

Dan C

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

Just to throw one more element into the mix..... I spoke with a friend a few days ago who recently went out east to the Festool training center. He talked about a bunch of the cool tools he got trained-in on (he was especially impressed with the Domino), but what intrigued me was his mention of "that cool router table Festool has". I asked him if it was an insert that sat in a frame, if it was the CMS...... he didn't give me a spoken answer, but his body language was telling me a resounding YES! Now, just because Festool has a CMS on US soil in a training center certainly doesn't guarantee it will necessarily be released in North America, but it was an intriguing little tid-bit I thought I'd share with the FOG. I wonder if the OF2200 would be a good pairing with the CMS?

 

[Woodenfish]

  Timmy, give a little time to get over the sticker shock, I'm sure when I get my hands on them I'll forget about the price.
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UGH! UGH! UGH! Can you feel the love? Can you feel it?  :-* :-* :-*

 

[joraft]

I can't wait to put it head to head with the 7518. 

My Festool rep told me that the "OF" comes from the initials of "above the table" in German, because all Festools routers are designed to be used only that way.  But at 17 pounds, I think this router may be a little too beefy for hand held use (at least for me). I have the Porter Cable 7518 (also 17 pounds) and I only tried it once "above the table", and I just didn't like pushing that much weight around by hand. It has stayed in my router table ever since.

It looks like the OF 2200 may have a little more horsepower than the 7518 (depending on motor efficiency) but at 3 1/4 HP the 7518 has plenty for me. The 7518 is a fine machine, and has the advantage of having some very good router table accessories made for it. I have mine mounted in a Bench Dog Pro-Lift (a work of art in itself) that is designed specifically for the 7518, and I have that assembly mounted to a Bench Dog cast iron table top also designed specifically for the purpose. The result is a pretty good quality "mini shaper".

The OF 2200 does have all those very cool features that let it work so well with the Festool system. But I think the weight issue would keep me from enjoying them. I just got a 1400 (about ten pounds) and I even struggled with choosing that over the much lighter 1010.

Now that MFK 700, I just have to get a closer look at that. 

John

 

[joraft]

If you plug the 2200 router into your Festool dust extractor, what size circuit will you need to run the pair?  It seems they will draw more than 20 amps at 110 volts.  Hmmm.

At 2200 watts, I'd guess the maximum amperage draw on the OF 2200 to be in the 18-19 amp range.

John

 

[Terp]

If you plug the 2200 router into your Festool dust extractor, what size circuit will you need to run the pair?  It seems they will draw more than 20 amps at 110 volts.  Hmmm.

Hi,
 I just joined your group & have benefited greatly from following some of your discussions.  I have been on this Festool bandwagon for over a year now & have been quite impressed with all that I've acquired.  I started with the CT33 w/ air setup & the air powered disc sander.  This was very attractive to me, as I could see the benefits of dustless sanding, yet prefer the pneumatic power.  Next I couldn't resist the Domino, TS55, Industrial Shop cleaning kit, (yes, I now vacuum my shop floor) L32 line boring setup & of course the OF1400 for the L32, all in that order ( I really must stop buying now
 I first I thought whoa, as they are quite expensive (don't add it all up for me O.K  I quickly realized the potential of all my new tools though.  I have been a professional cabinetmaker now for over 25 years, & have used all types of disappointing tools ( see Black & Decker/Dewalt................ , LOL)   Festool tools really perform & have increased my production.  I have a one man shop now & now have large machine capabilities for my small production runs.  There are definitely some gotcha moments though, with these new tools :-\  
 As for my current project, here's some background first.  I'm currently doing a project for a local G.C. whose doing renovations at the VA Medical Center, here in Washington DC, which involves the restoration of the corridor railings.  The railings are of 2" x 6" white oak & have been in place since the 1980's.  Running as they do through the corridors, there are long & short assemblies & 3" return ends to the wall all around.  Now my task is to take the railings, in groups of 70 - 100' at a time, & run a 3/4"d x 7/8"w dadoe along the length in the back face to upgrade to ADA, by providing a finger groove.  The rails are then being refinished & returned to be rehung.  As there is approximately 3,000 lineal feet to accomplish, I'll be doing this work in consecutive batches throughout the fall of this year.
 I realized I would need to rout these at the bench due to the fact that they had assembled ends.  A table saw or shaper would not do.  So I tooled up a little further adding a boom arm to the CT33 I have & purchasing an OF 2000 with an edge guide.  I searched hard for the OF 2000 E Plus since I needed the edge guide for this operation & wanted the case.  I got lucky there and found a dealer with old stock on the slower selling OF beast, er, 2000.  
 All is working as planned.  The router has the power & the plunging ability I needed.  In three passes, I'm done.  Really needed the boom arm though as I travel 14' along some of the railings.  
 The shop vac. or Dust Collector as I shoulld call it is once again impressing me.  This is alot of waste flowing out of these cuts, & love using the broom less, or a shovel .
 Now for the gotcha moments .
 You're right about the combined amperage.  With the OF 2000 I have been running an extension cord from a an outlet on a seperate circuit.  I have no complaint there.  I pulled the plug from the CT33 the first time the circuit blew during my cut (I hate that!).  I've pluggged the CT33 into the 110v remote control from my older bag type Delta dust collector.  Now I can just hit the remote button in my pocket before starting the router  It's worked perfect, no blown fuses.  I chuckled when it happened.  & thought ....Duh .
 Next I realized that pulling all that really hot waste from the router in to the CT33 was probably not safe.  I realized, like all of you, that the collector really packs the material in the bag.  I have an 8 gallon capacity, yet it packs in there really hard.  I worrried about combustion :-[.
 I know there is the option here of the re-usable bag & a spark arrestor, but they are too expensive.  I will not pay $180 for a bag that will probably be torn by some thing I vac up . & the arrestor looks, I don't know.......  I think $180.00 buys alot of the paper bags.
 So, I'm going to be picking up the Clear Vue Cyclone & attach it to a metal can.  This will prevent fires, & allow me to empty out the saw dust & shavings into & trash bag, while hardly using any CT33 bags.  I'll let you know how that goes.
 The last gotcha is the OF2200  While the OF 2000 has solved my production decision for power, I am annoyed by some things.  The cord & the vacuum connection are the main things.  The cord, obviously, I like detaching it as soon as I finish anything with a power tool.  I hate to see an expensive tool hit the floor, by way of a snagged cord.
 The vacuum connection impedes my travel & must be removed to finish my rout to the inside face of the return ends.  If I am not careful it "pops" off in use & hits the cutter....Doh!.  Yes, I had to replace that, :-\.  Actually, I'll buy a few to keep in the drawer & be very aware of that from now on.  Having it on top of the router is the greatest idea & mine won't ever have that.  
 Anyway, all is well, I'm still enjoying how easy this router & boom have made this work for me, yet if any one wants to swap an OF 2200 for my OF 2000 I'd be greatly obliged, & amazed
 Gotta go make dust now.

 

[Dixon Peer]

If you plug the 2200 router into your Festool dust extractor, what size circuit will you need to run the pair?  It seems they will draw more than 20 amps at 110 volts.  Hmmm.

At 2200 watts, I'd guess the maximum amperage draw on the OF 2200 to be in the 18-19 amp range.

John

Volts times amps gives watts.  Ohm's law.  Therefore, if you're running at 115 volts, divide that into 2200 watts for the amperage draw.  That would give an answer of 19.13 amps being drawn.  And that's continuous.  The surge on start up is higher.  So, don't try running the OF 2200 on a weak breaker.

 

[Daviddubya]

If you plug the 2200 router into your Festool dust extractor, what size circuit will you need to run the pair?  It seems they will draw more than 20 amps at 110 volts.  Hmmm.

At 2200 watts, I'd guess the maximum amperage draw on the OF 2200 to be in the 18-19 amp range.

John

Volts times amps gives watts.  Ohm's law.  Therefore, if you're running at 115 volts, divide that into 2200 watts for the amperage draw.  That would give an answer of 19.13 amps being drawn.  And that's continuous.  The surge on start up is higher.  So, don't try running the OF 2200 on a weak breaker.

Add in the vac, and it seems you cannot run the OF2200 plugged into the vac on a 110/120 volt, 20 amp circuit.  Or with the 12 gauge cord on the vac.

 

[Dan Clark]

I would like to know if the legs are going to available to retro fit on our MFT's so that the MFT and MFT3 are compatible heights? Or do I get my welder to raise my unit?

Excellent question!  I'd like to know the opposite too.  I.e., will shorter legs be available to make the new MFT the same size as the old MFT?  (Us vertically-challenged folk would like to know!)

Dan.

 

[joraft]

Add in the vac, and it seems you cannot run the OF2200 plugged into the vac on a 110/120 volt, 20 amp circuit.  Or with the 12 gauge cord on the vac.

As far as I know, the maximum load on the automatic appliance receptacle on my CT33 is 11 amps, and on my Fein Turbo III it's 15 amps (enough for my PC 7518). Neither one would run the OF 2200. Maybe Festool is planning to offer a new dust extractor with a bigger cord and a higher capacity on the auto switch. But still, the combination would have to be run on a 30 amp circuit.

John

 

[Dave Rudy]

  if any one wants to swap an OF 2200 for my OF 2000 I'd be greatly obliged, & amazed
 

You might try getting the 2000 on Ebay before the 2200 comes out.  I was quite successful selling mine (although it was months ago, long before the 2200 was even rumored).

Because the resale value is so high on Festools, you might well get close to your money back.

Just a thought.

 

[Terp]

  if any one wants to swap an OF 2200 for my OF 2000 I'd be greatly obliged, & amazed
 

You might try getting the 2000 on Ebay before the 2200 comes out.  I was quite successful selling mine (although it was months ago, long before the 2200 was even rumored).

Because the resale value is so high on Festools, you might well get close to your money back.

Just a thought.

No, I'll just stick with the OF2000.  $800.00 seems out of the stratosphere, to me, for a router, & probably without any accessories.  I noticed they'll offer a very expensive looking, yet totally complete, accessory kit. It seems quite desireable I might add. :-\  Price unknown : !
While I trust the quality, I fear buying bells & whistles.  I only paid $475.00 For the OF 2000 E plus.  That was a great deal on it, but it was old stock, & I believe an old stock price.  I'm real happy with it & will enjoy it's power for many years.  Frankly,  I still love my small flat top PC routers for alot of work, & live with the spray of waste from the cutting.  They are like an old glove though, & fit all my jigs & tables.  The OF 2000 will mostly be stored, waiting for heavy duty work, as will the OF1400 which I got for the L32 straight edge line boring hole jig,.. thing.   (That's a long name for a tool!, I wonder if it is shorter in german? ;D)
  I have 2 large 3 1/4 hp P.C. routers that do not plunge, & they won't be used as much any more.  They'll should all last alot longer now, especially with less use for each.  The right router for the right job!
  I must add that I am really enjoying the CT33, & to be honest that had surprised me a bit.  I guess that I had grown very acustomed to the plume of debris from routers, good riddance.  Although without the boom arm, I really don't like the tugging & catching effect of the very stiff hoses.  That's no problem at all with all the other tools though, it seems to me it's really just the routers.  I do have one complaint about the hoses.  They seem to kink very easy & then easier still in the same spot from then on.  I just don't like that too much
BTW, I think that $800.00 would find me a small shaper.  Hmmmm.

  Stilled I'm addicted to quality... & Festool.