New Teknatool NOVA Voyager DVR Drill Press

[mike_aa]

Thanks [member=44099]Cheese[/member] and [member=3192]rvieceli[/member] - Appreciate the thoughts, links and photos.

Now to watch eBay more closely!

I echo neilc's comment.  Thanks to both of you for the enlightenment!  My machinist father who passed 20 years ago shared some knowledge with me, but I never knew the tapered shafts were interchangeable.

Cheese, I see how you use the wedges to separate the tapered shaft from the chuck, but how do you do that with the #1 morse taper in your picture which doesn't seem to have a lip the wedges can push against?

Thanks, Mike A. 

 

[Cheese]

I echo neilc's comment.  Thanks to both of you for the enlightenment!  My machinist father who passed 20 years ago shared some knowledge with me, but I never knew the tapered shafts were interchangeable.

Cheese, I see how you use the wedges to separate the tapered shaft from the chuck, but how do you do that with the #1 morse taper in your picture which doesn't seem to have a lip the wedges can push against?

Hey Mike, if you're dad was a machinist, he probably left you all sorts of neat machinist items.  [big grin]  I find machine tools and all things machinist oriented pretty cool. [cool] [cool] [cool]

To answer your question, I'll just take a dead-blow hammer and strike the arbor smartly but not too heavily (if that makes sense [smile]) , then rotate the chuck 90º and strike again, rotate 90º strike again...

It usually takes just a few taps to loosen the arbor because the diameter is pretty small on that #1 MT.

Here's a list of common tapers I refer to from time to time. If you have the odd arbor hanging around & don't know what it is, this can help identify it.
https://littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapers.php

 

[mike_aa]

Hey Cheese,
Thanks for the response!  No heirloom tools from my Dad, but he did leave me lots of little stuff like a few sets of really nice drill bits (some Cleveland Twist Drill), end mills, calipers, taps, dies, rules, squares, some micrometers, and other miscellaneous stuff.  I also have a few tapered chucks, but I think they all have keys.  When I have a chance to use any of it I always have fond memories!

Mike A. 

 

[Cheese]

Hey Mike, gotta love the Cleveland twist drills...I just ordered some Cleveland cobalt metric twist drills today from MSC.  [cool]

 

[rmhinden]

I was thinking of replacing the stock chuck with an Albrecht chuck on my ~1990 Delta 16 1/2" floor drill press.  How do I figure out which arbor to get for it?

Thanks in advance.

Bob

Absolutely Ron... [big grin]  I have 2 for my drill press and 1 for my lathe. You can find like-new Albrecht's on Ebay for right around $100. I paid $75 for a 3/8" version for the lathe.

Tool shops open and close every day in the US...it's a tough business because the price of entry is steep. So if you're looking for a Wilton or Kurt vise or an Albrecht chuck, they're out there used and some are just like new.  [smile]

Check this out, here's a photo of a 1/2" version for my drill press that I purchased for $110 a couple of years ago on Ebay. It came in the original box with the original wax paper.

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[Cheese]

I was thinking of replacing the stock chuck with an Albrecht chuck on my ~1990 Delta 16 1/2" floor drill press.  How do I figure out which arbor to get for it?

The first thing to do is to remove the existing chuck from the drill press using the drill chuck drift that came with the Delta. The end of the arbor that goes into the drill press is probably a Morse #2 or #3 taper.

Once the chuck is removed, then you need to separate the arbor from the chuck using the drill chuck wedges that also came with the Delta.

After the chuck is separated from the arbor, just measure both ends of the arbor using this chart to find out what tapers are used in the drill chuck and in the drill press.

The taper used in the drill chuck is probably a Jacobs taper, while the taper in the drill press is a Morse taper.
https://littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapers.php

 

[rmhinden]

The first thing to do is to remove the existing chuck from the drill press using the drill chuck drift that came with the Delta. The end of the arbor that goes into the drill press is probably a Morse #2 or #3 taper.

Once the chuck is removed, then you need to separate the arbor from the chuck using the drill chuck wedges that also came with the Delta.

After the chuck is separated from the arbor, just measure both ends of the arbor using this chart to find out what tapers are used in the drill chuck and in the drill press.

The taper used in the drill chuck is probably a Jacobs taper, while the taper in the drill press is a Morse taper.
https://littlemachineshop.com/reference/tapers.php

Thank very much!  I have the drift that came with it, but don't think I have wedges, but will look.

Bob

 

[Cheese]

Thank very much!  I have the drift that came with it, but don't think I have wedges, but will look.

Bob, you'll notice a huge difference when you change chucks, especially if you go to an Albrecht. The chucks that have been standard on almost all recent (30 years or so) Delta's are made in China. There are runout problems, there are tightening issues and they don't operate very smoothly.

On the Chinese arbor that came with my Delta, the Morse #3 end wasn't as smooth as it should have been and it would sometimes release itself from the drill press quill prematurely.  [eek]

I use the Albrecht chuck & Albrecht arbor for up to 1/2" drills and then a Jacobs Ball Bearing chuck & Jacobs arbor for stuff over 1/2".

 

[Cheese]

FWIW...just reflecting on this thread of fitting an Albrecht keyless chuck on the Voyager, if you do use the tapping feature on the drill press, you will probably need to replace the Albrecht (or any other keyless chuck) with the standard keyed chuck that came with it.

The reason being is that once the Voyager starts to go into the reverse mode, if there is any resistance to backing out, the keyless chuck will actually start to loosen the jaws and you may need to then remove the tap by hand.

 

[ben_r_]

Just found a good deal on a brand new Albrecht 1/2" on eBay finally! Ordered a new arbor and going to upgrade the Jacobs 14N I have in my Delta 18-900L. Always wanted to try one of these Albrecht keyless chucks.

 

[rmhinden]

Just found a good deal on a brand new Albrecht 1/2" on eBay finally! Ordered a new arbor and going to upgrade the Jacobs 14N I have in my Delta 18-900L. Always wanted to try one of these Albrecht keyless chucks.

I recently did the same, that is, bought an Albrecht chuck on eBay and a new arbor with the matching tapers on Amazon.  Installed it last Thursday, I am very pleased.  It's a nice improvement over the stock chuck that came with the Delta drill press.

Thanks to Cheese for his advice and recommendations on doing this!

 

[Cheese]

Just found a good deal on a brand new Albrecht 1/2" on eBay finally! Ordered a new arbor and going to upgrade the Jacobs 14N I have in my Delta 18-900L. Always wanted to try one of these Albrecht keyless chucks.

Hey Ben, FWIW...I was also using a Jacobs 14N in my Delta before I substituted the Albrecht. It’s made a huge difference in pleasurability of use.

I do a lot of metal fab and if I need a 1/2” diameter hole I’ll start with a 3/16” bit, then go to maybe 3/8” and finish with the 1/2” bit.

The conundrum has always been, if drilling several 1/2” diameter holes, do you drill all the 3/16” holes first and then recenter the piece to drill the 3/8” holes and then recenter again to drill the 1/2” holes or do you just keep the item in one position and start swapping out drill bits?

To maintain accuracy the obvious solution is to swap out drill bits but with a keyed chuck it’s a real PITA.

The Albrecht really eliminated that issue for me.