New tools for 2019 including CTM Midi and Kapex updates among others

[AndrewG]

Just wondering if the 18V impact driver has been confirmed? And if so, when we might get some more information. Thanks

 

[Gregor]

Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

 

[GarryMartin]

Just wondering if the 18V impact driver has been confirmed? And if so, when we might get some more information. Thanks

It's confirmed (by virtue of appearing in a product list) but no news on availability or specifications yet.

 

[Cheese]

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

That's the reason the Reaxx is so nice...[crying] [crying] [crying]  Bosch really did build a better mousetrap as far as blade safety is concerned.

Instead of costing $250 per event it's only $50 per event.  [big grin]

 

[jeh]

Making sure when things like some sort of new tech or safety device is mandated that standardization/interchangeability is mandated with it solves a lot of these issues.  This is the key.  If you saw "saw stop" is mandated, you have an issue.  If you say "saws must stop/or remove blade from path of flesh within 1 nano-second of detection and be fully reset able without replacement of parts" you will have solutions produced with little issue. And manufactures would probably jointly share the development cost to just get it done and move on.

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

Whenever the safety brake is tripped you need to stand down for the rest of the day and let someone else use the tablesaw. It would be great if the blade was not damaged, but I could care less since I still would have my fingers. I have just about 30 years of experience on a tablesaw and have only had one incident which was on my SawStop after having owned it for a little over 8 years. I did not have a spare brake, but I do have a blade. I chose to stand down and get other work done while awaiting a new brake. SawStop sent me a free in exchange for the photo of the save, which was a nickel width groove a little less than an 1/8" deep. Healed up quickly.

I'll challenge you on manufacturer's stepping up to invent technology that will make their product cost significantly more with the exception of SawStop who chose to compete at the top of chain. Bosch was late to the game because they saw money to be made, potential for future legislation mandating it and/or reduction in liability (personal responsibility seems to be getting less and less). I have not used the Bosch, but have seen it. SawStop has a proven track record and has more backing for future developments now that TTS owns them. Bosch has much deeper pockets and will probably beat them to the punch in terms of miniaturization and application to portable tools.

 

[cpw]

I've had a Sawstop for about 8 years, no brake activations [either fingers or other mistakes].  If you're saving a finger, then it is fine to have $250 for a blade + cartridge and losing time (much less time than an amputation).

I think the bigger difference with the destructive nature of the Sawstop vs. Reaxx is about false trips (because of a miter gauge or whatever) costing $250 instead of $50.

 

[RKA]

The whole table moves when the blade killer activates.

 

[peter halle]

Are you talking about the jerking?  If so, I would expect that based on the portability and hopefully lack of weight.  And physics.

Peter

 

[ChuckM]

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

I have yet to come across any SawStop owners who disable their finger-saving technology in order to save costs. To disable the safety feature to cut metals or wet wood, yes, but to do so to avoid triggering the safety technology in a normal operaton is news to me. A better way to save costs is to sell the SawStop and get any other cabinet saw.

If someone is an employee and disables the safety feature (for not activating the SawStop and not for cutting wet wood or metal) without management approval, they could be violating their company safety policy or regulations that could lead to disciplinary measures including termination. I know at least one woodworking company that clearly states that failure to comply with the company safety regulations is a valid cause for instant dismissal.

I started using the SawStop around 2006 and have become an owner myself since 2014. I have not had one single close or remote call with any tablesaw during my whole hobby life of woodworking that began in the 90s. I am planning to keep that track record till the end.

Now, I hope Festool will develop the SawStop technology for its Kapex one day.

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.
The whole table moves when the blade killer activates.

That was impressive compared to the 450 - 600 pound SawStop cabinet saws.

 

[RKA]

Are you talking about the jerking?  If so, I would expect that based on the portability and hopefully lack of weight.  And physics.

Peter

Yes and yes.  That’s a lot of momentum to stop.

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.
That's the reason the Reaxx is so nice...[crying] [crying] [crying]  Bosch really did build a better mousetrap as far as blade safety is concerned.

Instead of costing $250 per event it's only $50 per event.  [big grin]

From a half-glass full perspective: the much higher activation expense should encourage a SawStop owner or user (if pay is to be deduced) to be even more vigilant when using the saw. I have a woodworker II in my saw, and I would be very upset with myself if I ruined it due to any unsafe or careless operation I do.

 

[DeformedTree]

I fully agree to this. While saw stop is a step into the right direction it would be better if the feature would be destruction free to both limbs and the saw.
The reasoning behind that is simple: the knowledge that tripping the feature equals to this days pay (or more) being gone (plus having to carry spares for the blade and mechanism) gives incentive to employ the 'cost saving' method of disabling the mechanism... which completely defeats the whole idea.

I have yet to come across any SawStop owners who disable their finger-saving technology in order to save costs. To disable the safety feature to cut metals or wet wood, yes, but to do so to avoid triggering the safety technology in a normal operaton is news to me. A better way to save costs is to sell the SawStop and get any other cabinet saw.

If someone is an employee and disables the safety feature (for not activating the SawStop and not for cutting wet wood or metal) without management approval, they could be violating their company safety policy or regulations that could lead to disciplinary measures including termination. I know at least one woodworking company that clearly states that failure to comply with the company safety regulations is a valid cause for instant dismissal.

I started using the SawStop around 2006 and have become an owner myself since 2014. I have not had one single close or remote call with any tablesaw during my whole hobby life of woodworking that began in the 90s. I am planning to keep that track record till the end.

Now, I hope Festool will develop the SawStop technology for its Kapex one day.

I think you missed some context, this was in the context of if "hot dog protection" was mandated on all saws. You have no choice but to buy a saw with it.  In that situation people will certainly keep it off all the time.

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.

I think you missed some context, this was in the context of if "hot dog protection" was mandated on all saws.

Guilty as charged. I did not go further up the chain of conversation.  [embarassed]

 

[simonh]

New Kapex KS 120 REB video

 

[tobiaskurz]

I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

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The second picture shows a new dust shroud for over head work.
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[ben_r_]

Its too bad they didnt buy the Bosch system as the ability to retract the blade twice per cartridge AND not damage the blade at all is a much better option.

 

[Gregor]

New Kapex KS 120 REB video

Nice how quiet they managed to make it.  [tongue]

I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

Having been that secretive about new stuff lead to one less sale, now that I have one from the competition I don't need theirs.

 

[French_Fan]

I found pictures from the new OSC 18 wich seems to be available from April (in Germany).

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The second picture shows a new dust shroud for over head work.
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Hey! But you're really too good at it! How did you find it? And most importantly... where did you find it?????

 

[mal_lynam]

Oh thank god, there using that still of battery.

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