New TS 55 R Video

[hockey_magnet]

If I'm not misundrstanding the "variable offset", wouldn't that screw up the rail guide strip somehow? I'm sure they thought of this but how would it work?

 

[ajones]

Chris .8 metre rail [big grin]try the same thing with a 3 metre rail and the saw moving whilst retained to the inside of the track ie: furthest away from the blade perhaps you are missing my point?

Hmmm...  Perhaps you haven't stated your point clearly? 

If the saw is held down with a short rail, it should work better with a longer, heavier rail.  What am I missing?

Dan.

p.s. The R model looks better than the current saw, but I don't see a reason to replace my TS55.

Dan
I probably not explaining it clearly
The flex in the track? if the saw has a tendency to tip then you could assume if the saw was attached to the rail the same forces would apply to the tack.
and it wanting to pivot from the inside of the blade.result lifting the outside of the track..

 

[Stone Message]

My wife is going to hate me...the improvements look really good and so I think my current TS55 may begin a new life permanently in a CMS unit and the TS55R will become my workhorse on the rails.

I liked the precision height adjust knob (looks like it could be to 0.1mm). In the video it looked as though one of the cuts was done sitting on top of a second piece of ply or melamine - very clever, maybe now we will not be messing up the surface of the MFT3 quite so much. I have just put a brand new top on my MFT3 so we shall see! The riving knife is typical of Festool - clever and safe and it is wider than the old one so it should ride well. Cutting close to a vertical surface is always useful and it looks as though I will be happy cutting to a scribed line (not tried this before as it seemed a bit fiddly).

If I get final approval from the Governor of the Bank of England (my wife) I will get one as soon as I can and let you know what I think.

Peter

 

[hockey_magnet]

Lots and lots of nice features that are all evolutionary, not revolutionary.  Back to your question:  Worth the wait?   If you need a saw now, don't wait.  You can always sell a used one a year out and get a very good portion of your money back.  If you don't need the saw now, wait ---- but don't complain about the new one NAINA.   These things take time to implement on a world-wide basis and it takes time to scale up production, distribution, marketing training, etc.

Isn't it more an issue of clearing inventories, etc.? I can't believe Festool would maintain separate production capacity for the same saw, ie. once the R model starts coming off the line, it will ship world wide IMHO.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Isn't it more an issue of clearing inventories, etc.? I can't believe Festool would maintain separate production capacity for the same saw, ie. once the R model starts coming off the line, it will ship world wide IMHO.

The TS 55 R is not scheduled to be introduced in the US/Canada at this point or in the near future. Information about such a release would be communicated publicly and to dealers well in advance of such an introduction.

Regarding production, the US/Canada have different power requirements, so there's already an existing need to manufacture a "different saw" for us compared to the rest of the world.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Isn't it more an issue of clearing inventories, etc.? I can't believe Festool would maintain separate production capacity for the same saw, ie. once the R model starts coming off the line, it will ship world wide IMHO.

The TS 55 R is not scheduled to be introduced in the US/Canada at this point or in the near future. Information about such a release would be communicated publicly and to dealers well in advance of such an introduction.

Regarding production, the US/Canada have different power requirements, so there's already an existing need to manufacturer a "different saw" for us compared to the rest of the world.

So when do you see the full metric conversion and power conversion happening for the U.S.?

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[woodguy7]

Ken, quality  [big grin]

Chris, nice sander, & workshop for that matter.  Any more pics ?

 

[ccarrolladams]

To be sure, the USA and Canada are not the only places routinely using 115v single phase hand held power tools, but our combined market is significant.

For years I traveled to Europe a couple of times a year, so I had the chance to use 220v versions of newly released Festools. Personally I never have noticed any loss of power when the UL approved 115v versions reached the USA.

It is hardly a secret I own a lot of TS55, because I appreciate them and they have made me significant money. Apparently the PDF messages to certain members putatively sent by Festool reps are still embargoed for publication. I assume the YouTube video about the TS55R was produced and paid for by Festool De. From what I saw I like the evolved features. I really appreciate that the TS55R will use the same rails and I assume virtually all of the current TS55 accessories, especially the 2.2mm kerf blades.

Maybe the TS55R no longer needs the accessory dust-collection improvement plate cat 491 750 because a sliding clear cover plate is built into the new version.

It also could be the green plastic off-cut splinterguard cat 491 473 will also no longer be needed.

My assumption is that until 2020 Festool will still supply any TS55 accessories not needed by the TS55R, so I am hardly worried. By then my oldest TS55 will be 14. Currently that one is kept clean, with a sharp Fine Tooth blade as the standard against which all of my other TSxx saws are adjusted for toe-in and position relative to the guide rails.

Several minutes ago I placed a pre-order for a TS55R with my primary local dealer. Of course by then I might have retired. Also, I dare say my shop will buy more slightly used or discounted TS55 when the rush is on for others to buy the TS55R.

Chris, I was surprised you re-painted your prototype Festool wide belt sander. Seriously, as much as I love using all my Festool sanders (well, at least most of them) my shop does have what in 2010 was considered a state-of-the-art wide belt sander. There are some tasks where these are the appropriate tool, just as there are tasks for which horizontal long belt edge sanders are the machine of choice.

 

[hockey_magnet]

Isn't it more an issue of clearing inventories, etc.? I can't believe Festool would maintain separate production capacity for the same saw, ie. once the R model starts coming off the line, it will ship world wide IMHO.

The TS 55 R is not scheduled to be introduced in the US/Canada at this point or in the near future. Information about such a release would be communicated publicly and to dealers well in advance of such an introduction.

Regarding production, the US/Canada have different power requirements, so there's already an existing need to manufacture a "different saw" for us compared to the rest of the world.

Thanks Shane - Makes sense re the power supply but you'd have to think ultimately that all the other compnents would be the same i.e. aren't the existing tools that are marketed in NA the same as those marketed in Europe except for the power supplies so that aside from that component they can me manufactured on the same line? Kind of like an auto plant that drops different size engines into the same vehicle?  Just asking...

 

[Timtool]

according to festool UK it's the exact same price as the TS55? And exact same specs. It's also listed on Festool Belgium, theres a router demo day over at my dealer saturday, i'm gonna see if they have any.

 

[EWTHeckman]

Thanks Shane - Makes sense re the power supply but you'd have to think ultimately that all the other compnents would be the same i.e. aren't the existing tools that are marketed in NA the same as those marketed in Europe except for the power supplies so that aside from that component they can me manufactured on the same line? Kind of like an auto plant that drops different size engines into the same vehicle?  Just asking...

None of the touted feature changes seem to affect the motor or electronics, just the housing and foot plate. It seems to me that the electronics and motor are the only parts that affect the U.S. differently. If that's the case I would hope that Festool is just switching the production of all the shared parts (which should be easier than making two completely different models) and releasing the 55R in the U.S. sooner rather than later.

 

[joiner1970]

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I can see some of the ideas that I mentioned when the guy from Festool came over a couple of years ago to visit me on site when they were in the early stages of the design. I remember saying it would be good if they flattened off the side where the dust port is so that you could get closer to walls or mainly so you could lay the saw on its side to trim doors etc.

FESTOOL!!!! when should I expect the delivery of my >>>FREE

 

[IG_Woods]

There is 110V version on the UK site. I don't need Imperial scale

So there is usual lag between WorldWide release and US release.
In best case scenario we will see it in 2013...2014 or never.

 

[fritter63]

None of the touted feature changes seem to affect the motor or electronics, just the housing and foot plate. It seems to me that the electronics and motor are the only parts that affect the U.S. differently. If that's the case I would hope that Festool is just switching the production of all the shared parts (which should be easier than making two completely different models) and releasing the 55R in the U.S. sooner rather than later.

Not gonna happen, as it's main feature is the ability to ride along the wall while cutting flooring. Have you ever put a straight edge on a wall in North America?  [eek]

 

[RONWEN]

Isn't it more an issue of clearing inventories, etc.? I can't believe Festool would maintain separate production capacity for the same saw, ie. once the R model starts coming off the line, it will ship world wide IMHO.

The TS 55 R is not scheduled to be introduced in the US/Canada at this point or in the near future. Information about such a release would be communicated publicly and to dealers well in advance of such an introduction.

Regarding production, the US/Canada have different power requirements, so there's already an existing need to manufacturer a "different saw" for us compared to the rest of the world.

So when do you see the full metric conversion and power conversion happening for the U.S.?

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What a great picture that is Ken!  Do you mind if I use that occasionally?  Are those indigenous to NJ?  Is there an open season on them?  Is a duck stamp required to hunt them?  I imagine they are quite slow in the air.  [big grin]

 

[jmbfestool]

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I can see some of the ideas that I mentioned when the guy from Festool came over a couple of years ago to visit me on site when they were in the early stages of the design. I remember saying it would be good if they flattened off the side where the dust port is so that you could get closer to walls or mainly so you could lay the saw on its side to trim doors etc.

FESTOOL!!!! when should I expect the delivery of my >>>FREE

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Go ahead, Ron.  NJ is allowing you to shoot at the GEICO pigs as the sound is irritating.  Weeeeeeeeee!!!!
Luckily no license is required.  Just make sure you bring home the bacon.

 

[hockey_magnet]

Dont want to burst your bubble! But to be fair the flatting of the side should of just been done in the first place doesn't make sense why it wasnt done on the TS55.

Regarding the video!  I thought I was just watching the TS55 just with a make over to make it look pretty.  I dont see any real improvement to even bother making a video for it.  I was watching and watching keep thinking something is going to catch my eye! Nope!   

The only thing what jumped out at me and I liked  was its appearance but that doesn't justify replacing it with my old TS55. 

I wont be buying one Festoo TTSl!! You lost my custom for that tool! You just hope my TS55 fails and im forced to by the TS55R thats the only way I would buy one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since I just bought the TS 55 I've been looking at the "R" closely - For me, the flush(er) cutting is not a big deal but no doubt, there will be some job where I'll say "If only I could get a little closer". I do see the 47 degree bevel being useful and the window as well, particularly when you're new to the saw and want to verify your stopping point. I agree none of these things are huge, but given the price hasn't increased they are nice little improvments. Most of the others, depth guage, etc. are not going to make any difference to me.

 

[rmwarren]

Go ahead, Ron.  NJ is allowing you to shoot at the GEICO pigs as the sound is irritating.  Weeeeeeeeee!!!!
Luckily no license is required.  Just make sure you bring home the bacon.

Come on.... Jersey barely allows us to HAVE shootin' irons, let along take them outside or anywhere near ammunition...

RMW

 

[Qwas]

I like how they promote the "intelligent" riving knife.  [big grin]

Does it do math?  [blink]