New TSC 55 K saw and TPC 18 drill

O yes, I misunderstood, after re-reading it makes sense.
I got my second pdc not so long ago, and the light doesn't work with the trigger, but it has it's own button, (my first pdc doesn't have a light at all). 
 
There are some new videos on the Festool youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/festool

apparently you can control the led setting on the tpc and tdc also with your smartphone.

The new TS55F (the corded one) has the normal riving knife, not the kickback control of the new battery powered version, so the only difference seems to be the thinner blades (and a thinner riving knife) as far as I can tell.

wpz
 
So a slightly revised TS55, and they call it F.  This will really cause confusion in N.A.  where the saws and other tools all ready have "F" in the name.  Will it be TS 55 FF here?  EFFFF?
 
Now it's called the TS55 REQ-F, so the new name will probably be TS55 FEQ-F. The short name on the festoolusa site is now TS55 R, and that will probably be TS55 F.
 
So Festool USA is showing the new TSC,  looks like K so it's now. KEBI-F,  was REBI-F

Shocking to see this on the site all ready.
 
When I was typing the previous message, the FEQ-F didn't sound right in my head, maybe that's why they would change the name [wink].
 
wpz said:
Hi Otakar,

Could you measure the weight of the drill without battery or chuck?
Also interested in the size comparison to the PDC.

thank you.

wpz
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TPC 18/4.... 1270g
PDC 18/4.....1250g

[smile]
 
it's kinda funny, when I was shopping track saws, I nearly went Mafell, but went with Festool, in part because of the riving knife.  Now it looks like Festool is saying Mafell was right, so in some ways, the new saws are an advertisement for Mafell.

I've debated buying a newer TS55 and switching parts over to make one metric, but just see it as a waste just to solve the tilt lock issues.
 
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth
 
SRSemenza said:
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth
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Yeah, these news systems may work, but I like simple.  I get the desire to improve, and maybe the new system is better, but I I like passive things.

The drill as you say is nice. I'm guessing others will have such systems very soon, if they don't all ready.
 
DeformedTree said:
SRSemenza said:
Hmmm, looks like I will be keeping my older model saws. I don't have kickback problems. But the riving knife has done it's job helping prevent the kerf closing up so that I could keep cutting ( ripping solid wood) many times.

On the other hand I like that feature on the drill. That would be a great wrist saver with hole saws.

Seth
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Yeah, these news systems may work, but I like simple.  I get the desire to improve, and maybe the new system is better, but I I like passive things.

The drill as you say is nice. I'm guessing others will have such systems very soon, if they don't all ready.
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Trouble with the new is that it only does part of the riving knife job.

I know that Milwaukee has a torque clutch on their big drills.

Seth
 
DeformedTree said:
it's kinda funny, when I was shopping track saws, I nearly went Mafell, but went with Festool, in part because of the riving knife.  Now it looks like Festool is saying Mafell was right, so in some ways, the new saws are an advertisement for Mafell.

I've debated buying a newer TS55 and switching parts over to make one metric, but just see it as a waste just to solve the tilt lock issues.
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It is not about "better or worse". Both approaches have their pros and cons.

What I find interesting is that only the TSC will get the electronic anti-kickback while the corded TS 55 will keep the riving knife. I would have expected the opposite - the TSC is the one more likely to be used free-handed.

I guess the "problem" was that "cool" youtube reviewers were dissing Festool for the riving knife as if it was something negative. Especially the US guys where safety is an after-thought for a big part of the market.

Festool likely felt they needed to react, and so they did. But it does not mean a riving knife is the "worse option". The same way Beta was not the worse option to VHS...

I would like it both ways-having an option to swap either a riving knife or the sensor. But I guess this is not possible mechanically so Festool had to choose which mechanism to install.

Will see how it turns. The big feature are really the thinner blades and those can be retrofitted to older saws. One only needs to lap the riving knife a bit for that to make it fit the reduced cut width.
 
Guess I thought the TS55 got it to, not sure now.

I wouldn't say safety is ignored in the US at all.  The reason we don't have a lot of tools here is they won't pass a safety review.  Europe and N.A. view safety on some tools very different (see table saws).  Really this is a lot of stuff, what folk over there find safe in things is terrifying here, and I'm sure the opposite is true.

With a saw like the TS 55 it's more that track saws are a new thing, and even with them being around now for about 20 years, most have never seen them, so a riving knife on a circular saw is just a bit odd.  But on a table saw, completely normal.

 
DeformedTree said:
Guess I thought the TS55 got it to, not sure now.

I wouldn't say safety is ignored in the US at all.
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I did not mean ignore. Just that the US market seems not so obsessed with safety. For example I have never seen (the insanity of) radial arm saws widely used in Europe. Heck, I have never seen one even on a picture before roaming FOG.

A plunge saw is already infinitely safer than a circular saw to begin with. So many (maybe up to a half potential customers ?) see a riving knife as "just another nuisance". They would probably see the anti-kickback sensor the same, just be less bothered by it.

In Europe this part of the market is much smaller as the percentage of "hobby" or "carpenter contractor" users of tools like a plunge saw is much smaller. We do no have all that many wooden houses over here. So the customer demographic is more skewed to the furniture maker professionals which are likely to prefer a riving knife or at least not be bothered by it.

Maffel tested the waters, was well received by the market. So Festool followed. I do not believe Festool would go the sensor way if that was not so. The riving knife on my TSC is so well engineered, I only noticed it had one when tried a thinner (1.5mm) blade and it complained a bit. :)
 
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