NEW TSO TPG-30 Parallel Guide

[supimeister]

Hmmm, I'm not sure.  There seems to be more to the story than that. 
All of those items have introductory pricing.  And why have a different sku if both of those skus are identical in their offering and both are currently available to purchase?

 

[TSO_Products]

to all:
so as to not over-use the FOG as a communication channel, please note:

We will update and reconfigure our website in the coming days so as to present the product, options and pricing in a way that answers many of the questions being asked without a response on the FOG.

new general questions: please email us: info@tsoproducts.com so we can respond to them in an FAQ section we intend to add to our Product category pages.

Transaction and purchase related questions:  We will reply individually to emails, of course. Remember to add info@tsoproducts.com to your address book!

Lesson learned from this entire TPG "preview" posting:
next time we will wait to share new product information until we have a complete Website product page..

Our heartfelt thank you to all for your input and questions which enable us to do a better job in the future.

Hans and Eric

 

[Koamolly]

I’m having trouble following the availability of the parallel guides.  I am on the notification email but have never received any emails.  I thought something was coming in February but I also see a March date.  We'll notify you when item is BACK in stock implies I missed February batch?  Not sure when what part at what price will be available.  I’ve been ready to buy the full package (whatever that is) or partial pieces as they become available.  I have a current project that would benefit from these guides if they become available soon.  I ordered and received the GRS16 and GRS16PE last week so I’m committed.  My understanding is there are no preorders or wait list and when items are in stock will be first come, first served with a notification system that seems a bit sketchy. 

 

[ChuckM]

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We will update and reconfigure our website in the coming days so as to present the product, options and pricing in a way that answers many of the questions being asked without a response on the FOG.

Hans and Eric

That's the right way to fix a presentation problem.

Presenting product information, especially the complex kind involving multiple choices and prices, in a clear and logical manner is a technical skill to be learned and developed.

Here is a simple clarity test: After putting together the sales information that you think is clear to anyone who will read it, ask someone (a family member, a neighbor, etc.) who is NOT involved in the product or, even better, in any woodworking at all to go through the information. If he or she (as a layman) finds any parts that are not clear, work on improving those parts.

The reason why most owner's manuals are unreadable is that they are written, edited and reviewed by the same person(s) before they go to print. Everything written by an author is almost always clear to the author himself or herself!

Edit: Consider using a chart where too many options are difficult to explain clearly in text alone. E.g.http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.aspx?p=72188&cat=1,41080,72156

 

[Oldwood]

One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

 

[tjbnwi]

One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

 

[Brian Livingstone]

Tom,

Thanks for this.  You answered my one question.

As A GRS16 owner it seems like a no brainer to buy.  Even though I own the Festool parallel guides.

Brian

 

[Oldwood]

One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

Then you rely on the square only to insure parallel cuts?

 

[tazprime38]

One thing that is evident to everyone on FOG but probably not everywhere is that you need 2 TSO GRS-16 squares to use the guides. Although what is included is listed the novice may not be aware that the squares are also required. I think an option to include everything necessary to use the Parallel guides would be useful information. A complete kit.

As Chuck says the chart method would help clear up any confusion.

Looks like a great product!

Two GRS’s are only needed for cuts less the the guide rail width. All other cuts can be made accurately with a single GRS.

Tom

Tom am I correct what you said above regarding  two GRS's is when not using the TPG  and the use of the TPG only requires one GRS-16 (PE) ?

Tariq

 

[tjbnwi]

For cuts wider than the guide rail only one GRS or GRS-PE is required.

There needs to be enough purchase of the square on the reference edge of the piece being cut.

The square is accurate enough to use it along the edge and have the rail reach out 90º.

Tom

 

[Oldwood]

For cuts wider than the guide rail only one GRS or GRS-PE is required.

There needs to be enough purchase of the square on the reference edge of the piece being cut.

The square is accurate enough to use it along the edge and have the rail reach out 90º.

Tom

I can see in some situations where that would work but I use parallel guides mostly for cutting 8' sheets into strips and I would not rely on the square for that.

Thanks

 

[tjbnwi]

For cuts wider than the guide rail only one GRS or GRS-PE is required.

There needs to be enough purchase of the square on the reference edge of the piece being cut.

The square is accurate enough to use it along the edge and have the rail reach out 90º.

Tom

I can see in some situations where that would work but I use parallel guides mostly for cutting 8' sheets into strips and I would not rely on the square for that.

Thanks

If they're less than 7-1/2" I recommend two PG's

We rip 8-24" wide strips daily with a single GRS-16. I do have a PE.

Tom

 

[manuc]

I have a general question about the GRS-16 and GRS-16 PE. I didn’t want to start a new thread.

I’m planning on purchasing both. I got to thinking, would it be better to purchase two GRS-16 PE’s?  Is there any advantage of the GRS-16 over the GRS-16 PE? I know the PE can be used on both sides of the rail with no issues. Just wondering what the advantage/disadvantage is.

Thanks!

 

[peter halle]

I have both.  If I was purchasing them today I would go for 2 of the PE.  Only for the reason that they are more versatile.

Peter

 

[Sanderxpander]

The PE is more expensive. There is no other drawback that I can think of. 95 percent of the time you can use the regular one because you will be able to reference from the starting cut side. But if money is no object the PE is more versatile.

 

[Mike Goetzke]

[member=65145]manuc[/member]

I now have a TSO square - a GRS-16 PE. I had a square with my previous track saw system and it had a top handle. Many times it is easier to use the square on the far end of the board and pull it tight toward you. This requires the PE. If I thought I need two I would buy two PE's, just so I could use both the same way.

Mike

 

[semenza]

One reason for the non-PE ............ I chose it because I didn't want the other  point  sticking out from the table edge. I think I would be bumping it or hooking something on it often.  In my case the way my cutting set up is situated it would be right where I move while cutting.

But it would certainly be good to be able to put the square on the opposite end.

Seth

 

[Cheese]

I got to thinking, would it be better to purchase two GRS-16 PE’s?  Is there any advantage of the GRS-16 over the GRS-16 PE? I know the PE can be used on both sides of the rail with no issues. Just wondering what the advantage/disadvantage is.

I think a lot of us have both versions because the non-PE version was the first one offered. Then about 9-12 months later, Hans offered the PE version for a few shekels more.

The PE version is more versatile while the non-PE version is also 5/8" longer.

I store the PE with the TSC vertically & the non-PE with the HKC horizontally.

 

[Koamolly]

I got to thinking, would it be better to purchase two GRS-16 PE’s?  Is there any advantage of the GRS-16 over the GRS-16 PE? I know the PE can be used on both sides of the rail with no issues. Just wondering what the advantage/disadvantage is.

I think a lot of us have both versions because the non-PE version was the first one offered. Then about 9-12 months later, Hans offered the PE version for a few shekels more.

The PE version is more versatile while the non-PE version is also 5/8" longer.

I store the PE with the TSC vertically & the non-PE with the HKC horizontally.

I just purchased the pair.  The current PE and non-PE are the same length.

 

[Sanderxpander]

[member=65145]manuc[/member]

I now have a TSO square - a GRS-16 PE. I had a square with my previous track saw system and it had a top handle. Many times it is easier to use the square on the far end of the board and pull it tight toward you. This requires the PE. If I thought I need two I would buy two PE's, just so I could use both the same way.

Mike

You can still do this with the regular GRS 16 by walking around your workpiece.
But I still agree the PE is slightly more versatile.