New van

[Deansocial]

i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too

I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol!  Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. 

Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow  bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials 

RWD  for doing Donuts hey Dean?

just like the way it handles really. got used to no under steer when i push it, oh and the oh @*&% moments when it oversteers.

 

[neth27]

i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too

I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol!  Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. 

Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow  bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials 

RWD  for doing Donuts hey Dean?

I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van.....

John..

 

[Guy Ashley]

i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too

I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol!  Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. 

Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow  bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials 

RWD  for doing Donuts hey Dean?

I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van.....John..

John, I am sure a lot of us do, mate.

They tend to be the guys who have got wife, kids, mortgage and bills to pay to keep a family going rather than a lot of disposable income.  [wink]

 

[Deansocial]

i will go on tonight, can't play it with kids around it not appropriate for them really. I"m just swapping from a lexus is200 to a golf gti think im going to miss the RWD tho. Not quite sure why people need such huge vans/ trailers for work really. I understand a workshop have a huge van for dlivering the goods to site but not for carrying tools. I use a lwb vivaro and carry loads of tools and can fit a fair amount of goods in there too

I agree I dont see the need for massive vans unless your a builder or like you said a workshop joiner BUT you do need a Van cus I see sooo many site joiners who turn up in a car and have der chop saw on the back seat! If I was Forman I would be like dont bother getting out of your car go home lol!  Cnt see any joiner being any good if they use a car unless they have der van in for repair or something. 

Thats why I got a 9ft trailer and got a tow  bar fitted on my van for when I need to carry alot of material so I dont mess up all my tools with materials 

RWD  for doing Donuts hey Dean?

I know joiners who just use a car, some people cant afford a car and a van.....John..

John, I am sure a lot of us do, mate.

They tend to be the guys who have got wife, kids, mortgage and bills to pay to keep a family going rather than a lot of disposable income.  [wink]

i got all that and a van and car. There is no way i could fit everything i need in a car

 

[Guy Ashley]

Dean

I dare say you have and well done you!

I think the issue is that some guys have encountered circumstances, redunancy, divorce or other such financially devasting events in their lifetime and so perhaps have to operate on a financial plan that is a lot less generous than say if for instance you lived at home with your parents and had no such commitments.

To judge a tradesmans skill level on the basis of whether or not he drives a van just seems a little fatuous!

 

[Steve R]

Dean

I dare say you have and well done you!

I think the issue is that some guys have encountered circumstances, redunancy, divorce or other such financially devasting events in their lifetime and so perhaps have to operate on a financial plan that is a lot less generous than say if for instance you lived at home with your parents and had no such commitments.

To judge a tradesmans skill level on the basis of whether or not he drives a van just seems a little fatuous!

+1 what you said.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[windmill man]

When I started out  I just had a van,

I had to work really hard to get the rest.

 

[Deansocial]

When I started out  I just had a van,

I had to work really hard to get the rest.

yes thats how i started out with just a van, far more important than a car

 

[woodguy7]

Not just vehicles

When i lived with my parents i built a wooden shed in the back garden of their council house.  You wouldn't believe the stuff i made in that small shed, windows for a nightclub, windows for a boat, doors, cabinets ect.

My point is you manage with what you have got & try to build up to bigger & better things.  If i had to go back to that small shed i would happily start again.

I managed to get an old Astra van with seats in the back that folded down.  Happy days  [smile]

 

[jmbfestool]

Well you say all that but I only have a Van at the moment cus cnt afford car and a van  but I could do what the other joiners do and just have a car and no van but seen as I need to make money and a car does not make me money I think its more important to have a van than a car.  So you say people can not afford both okay but then jst have a van then you can go out and earn more money and buy a car like Windmill said.    I made a choice and sold my car to get a van as I just couldn't carry all the tools I needed in my car soon as I finished my apprenticeship.  

I still believe car joiners are often not very good joiners mainly because they  obviously dont seem to be motivated to better them selfs. As I see it get a van do good work get more do more then get a car with your profits. All a car does is cost you money! It doesn't give a good impression turning up as a joiner in a car with a lack of tools.

 As I have met many and they all have been umm not very good either lazy or just well not really joiners they claim to be but they aint. I was working with this joiner who had a car all he kept turning up with was a level hand saw drill and bag of handtools.  Well I kept on telling him what he needed to do and checking his work! I was 22 he was 55! What is that about he should be telling me what to do!   I got the feeling he must of always been a second joiner so he was good for shouting measurements at and he cut the wood for you and bring it to you.

 I was using all my tools all the time in the end I got fed up and decided to worm my way out working with him cus I thought thats how he always got by working with companies by working with another joiner. Any way about  week later he got sacked cus the forman soon realised he was no good! I was keeping above water!!   I cant believe you can do a good job with just a car as you cant carry all the tools you need to get the job done at a high standard and quick.  OKay you can go all old school and do a good job but it will be slow and you wont make money.

Even if its a little fatuous so be it thats what I think

JMB

 

[speed]

i 100% agree with you jmb

i had a car and a track car/ got rid of my daily car for a small kangoo, when i out grew it so sold that and my track car to buy a bigger van, so now i just have the van

 

[Dan1210]

Oh oh im so glad i came accross this thread! Im in the market for a new van as my t4 is great but i need something newer, im looking at the dare i say it hyundai iload, has a 5 yr warranty,170 horses,aircon, leccy winduz, i test drove one last week and i like it, ive been looking at t5s but everyone i know has had issues with them and dropped big bucks on repairs, i think my minds made up, has anyone else got the hyundai if not check it out its a sexy looking van!

Jmb ill send you a pic of my audi i sold last year was a dream but couldnt afford it when the work dried up  [crying]

 

[woodguy7]

So you got the poor guy sacked  [eek]

The problem with a lot of families is if you have more than 1 kid then a van is no use.  I have 2 boys so there is no way we all can travel together in my Renault Traffic.  Things are not always black & white I'm afraid.

 

[Dan1210]

To cut a long story short, when i got rid of my audi and my van was in for repair i drove my missus £500 punto to work and got my festo gear out the back of that, would you think less of me then jmb? Lol

 

[jmbfestool]

So you got the poor guy sacked  [eek]

The problem with a lot of families is if you have more than 1 kid then a van is no use.  I have 2 boys so there is no way we all can travel together in my Renault Traffic.  Things are not always black & white I'm afraid.

No I agree der are exceptions of course but you can get Vans which have 3 seat in the front so 2 kids is no problem!  So your 2 boys will easily fit  [tongue] I think your new van has 3 seats no?

I know I didnt want to but!  I did say to him you need to bring in your chop saw or your circular saw but he just didnt he said ill use my hand saw.  I said but its slower! He just said well I dont get paid more for using my power tools.  Thats when I got angry and wormed my way out of working with him by going of and doing job which just requires one person or if a electrician needed help getting flooring up or plumbers I would go and do it for them so he would be left on the main job on his own and then slowly I ended getting the jobs on my own.  As normally the Forman would say you and Steve do this  he just said can you do this and then he would go and say to steve you do this.  I then ended up with another joiner as you all know a lot of jobs requires two like roofing and flooring.  Then the forman came to me and ask if I would give Steve a hand I was like Dam IT! Then the forman said dont worry hes been told hes only got a week left.  I kinda felt bad but it aint my fault!

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

why not woodguy? plenty of people get around with no car at all. guess it depends where you live, but there is not many time we need to go out as a family unit where we couldnt just walk, bus or train it if we didnt have a car

 

[windmill man]

Dan

The Iload has had some good write ups. Don't know what it will be worth when you come to trade in, in the future.

I have a New shape T5 lwb 130 bhp, love it not had any problems in the last 12 months.

John

 

[jmbfestool]

To cut a long story short, when i got rid of my audi and my van was in for repair i drove my missus £500 punto to work and got my festo gear out the back of that, would you think less of me then jmb? Lol

Haahaaa! lol   If you read what I wrote above I said  exceptions if your van is for repair or something  so I would ask you, you would say its in for repair! I would then say yeah your alrite then lol!  but cus you got your Festo out I would properly say you need to get the new Festool stuff lol!

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Oh oh im so glad i came accross this thread! Im in the market for a new van as my t4 is great but i need something newer, im looking at the dare i say it hyundai iload, has a 5 yr warranty,170 horses,aircon, leccy winduz, i test drove one last week and i like it, ive been looking at t5s but everyone i know has had issues with them and dropped big bucks on repairs, i think my minds made up, has anyone else got the hyundai if not check it out its a sexy looking van!

Jmb ill send you a pic of my audi i sold last year was a dream but couldnt afford it when the work dried up  [crying]

Is it bang Tidy?  Is it on your facebook?  Cus I got a crappy phone!

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

why not woodguy? plenty of people get around with no car at all. guess it depends where you live, but there is not many time we need to go out as a family unit where we couldnt just walk, bus or train it if we didnt have a car

Haa yeah Woodguy might struggle with trains and busses up der!

JMB