New Woodpeckers flush trim bits

[festal]

Richard you might want to take a look at some of the new replaceable carbide inserts flush trim bits. I know that Amana makes some. I have also seen a spiral version like a helical head.

Ron

I bought a 55mm DOC x 30mm diameter spiral insert cutter, and it is by far the most useful router bit I own, I use it for template work, but it's also proved insanely useful for squaring up and routing straight edges using it in conjunction with a straightedge.

I recently had to do a bunch of White Oak skirtings, around 5m x 225mm high, and it made very short work of cutting a straight edge so I could then rip it to size with the saw.

They are fantastic!
https://www.csptooling.com/collecti...al-router-bits-with-replaceable-insert-knives

I was looking at csptooling onces as well.  My feed was filling up few months ago with people getting them.  They have a true shear version which with shipping came out to be $175 to the NJ so that was a bit too much than i wanted to spend.  THese are alot cheaper but wonder how do they compare to the true shear version .

 

[Crazyraceguy]

The big Besseys are extremely handy. I got a fantastic deal on them because of the large purchase of Festool equipment. They can't discount that, but they could on other stuff in the same purchase..

This 'loophole' has been well and truly closed by Festool Australia, unfortunately.

I'm confused? How could they possibly dictate what a vendor does with the other products he carries?

 

[rmwarren]

Dang, just stumbled across the 1/4" flush trim bits, this might get expensive.

RMW

 

[Packard]

I have noticed the slight chatter in the edges trimmed with straight edge trimmers.  But they quickly yield the the light sanding I will do in all cases.

I don’t think there is a persuasive argument for these expensive trimmers for most applications. I do see the cool-factor in using them, but not the need.

If I had them, I would certainly use them.  But I would not part with my hard-earned money to buy them.

 

[luvmytoolz]

I have noticed the slight chatter in the edges trimmed with straight edge trimmers.  But they quickly yield the the light sanding I will do in all cases.

I don’t think there is a persuasive argument for these expensive trimmers for most applications. I do see the cool-factor in using them, but not the need.

If I had them, I would certainly use them.  But I would not part with my hard-earned money to buy them.

One word, jointing!

The insert cutters apart from lasting several lifetimes if looked after, are absolutely fantastic for heavy planing, squaring stock, and edge jointing. Mine has gotten a huge workout on a bunch of white oak skirtings, that would have been very difficult for me to do any other way.

Not only did they save many hours of time, they did the job easily! I'd say that even though I'm just a hobbyist, mine easily paid for itself the first couple of times I used it!

 

[SilviaS7]

I think I'm going to at least give the Woodpeckers flush trim bits a try.  I've tried two flush trim bits recently on a project and it seems the cutter sticks out farther than the bearing, so I can't use the bearing as the guide, so it's like, what's the point?  They're both straight cut bits so perhaps the spiral will give me a better result.  Or I'm just dumb and not using it right (I've done it by hand and with my router table, neither gave the desired result).  Anyway, it is probably due to lack of experience in my case, but I'm kind of a Woodpeckers fangirl because I dig supporting a company in my own back yard of Ohio.

 

[Packard]

Richard you might want to take a look at some of the new replaceable carbide inserts flush trim bits. I know that Amana makes some. I have also seen a spiral version like a helical head.

Ron

I bought a 55mm DOC x 30mm diameter spiral insert cutter, and it is by far the most useful router bit I own, I use it for template work, but it's also proved insanely useful for squaring up and routing straight edges using it in conjunction with a straightedge.

I recently had to do a bunch of White Oak skirtings, around 5m x 225mm high, and it made very short work of cutting a straight edge so I could then rip it to size with the saw.

They are fantastic!
https://www.csptooling.com/collecti...al-router-bits-with-replaceable-insert-knives

I was looking at csptooling onces as well.  My feed was filling up few months ago with people getting them.  They have a true shear version which with shipping came out to be $175 to the NJ so that was a bit too much than i wanted to spend.  THese are alot cheaper but wonder how do they compare to the true shear version .

The CPS cutter is 55 mm in diameter.  A more conventional cutter is 1/2” (12mm).  So the CPS has a cutter speed that is roughly 4-1/2 times faster than a 1/2” router bit.  I don’t know what that does to various materials, but it will put a very high torque load on your router.

 

[Cheese]

The CPS cutter is 55 mm in diameter.  A more conventional cutter is 1/2” (12mm).  So the CPS has a cutter speed that is roughly 4-1/2 times faster than a 1/2” router bit.  I don’t know what that does to various materials, but it will put a very high torque load on your router.

These are Festool's recommendations for router bit diameters to be used with their various routers:
1010...3 mm to 35 mm
1400...10 mm to 60 mm
2200...10 mm to 89 mm

So as long as that CPS 55 mm diameter cutter is used on a large enough router, it shouldn't be an issue.

 

[Michael Kellough]

Correction, the CPS cutter is 30mm diameter, 55mm is the cutter length.

 

[Packard]

My mistake, but still a fairly large diameter.  I would not want to use it on an underpowered router.

Correction:  Any router that can throw a raised panel bit can handle this.  My 690, probably; my Makita, certainly.  My Dewalt trim router, no.

 

[luvmytoolz]

My mistake, but still a fairly large diameter.  I would not want to use it on an underpowered router.

Correction:  Any router that can throw a raised panel bit can handle this.  My 690, probably; my Makita, certainly.  My Dewalt trim router, no.

Cutting 10mm width with 35mm DOC on Hard Maple using the OF2200 this cutter feels no different to using a 1/2" round over bit. No noise or chatter, super smooth and effortless cut!

 

[Michael Kellough]

Any good router that can hold a 1/2” shank bit.

 

[Michael Kellough]

My mistake, but still a fairly large diameter.  I would not want to use it on an underpowered router.

Correction:  Any router that can throw a raised panel bit can handle this.  My 690, probably; my Makita, certainly.  My Dewalt trim router, no.

Cutting 10mm width with 35mm DOC on Hard Maple using the OF2200 this cutter feels no different to using a 1/2" round over bit. No noise or chatter, super smooth and effortless cut!

Hell of an endorsement!

 

[krudawg]

I'm serious thinking about splurging on one of these bits even though I don't have an immediate use. I'd been idly considering the larger diameter import version but this looks even better.

Where I'm unsure is whether to go whole hog and get the 2" bit, which I'll likely never need (but always prefer to have the option for more/bigger...), or stick with the 1-1/2". The only downside I see to the longer bit is it might have a slightly higher potential for chatter. What am I missing?

I don't have a project for either bit now, just looking to take advantage of the intro price and have it available when needed.

Thoughts?

RMW

I'll tell you what; That State of California Prop 65 Warning scares the heck out of me but I digress.  Those may find their way into my router table sooner than later.