News from the Festool gossip factory...

[Dirk]

Hi together!

Today I got an email with a survey from a market research company here in Germany.   They have an anonymous customer who seems very interested in experience and use of oscillating tools like the FEIN Multimaster.
Actually the customer was so very anonymous that I'd take a bet he was green.     ;D

... what are these guys planning?  

rgds
Dirk

 

[windmill man]

I had one from them earlier in the week and thought Festool to.

 

[Holzhacker]

Was it Shane a while back ago who said Festool doesn't like to make a tool unless they can improve on it? I know somebody here said it. The Fein multi is a great tool. Two things Festool could improve upon in a new version.
- The noise level, man that noise is rough after a while
- DC, I have the DC attachment for my MultiM; it's Ok at best; It definitely seems like an add on that Fein threw in to satisfy market needs.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Seems to me the market for oscillating tools is saturated, at least here in the States.  The price keeps dropping on the Fein MM and its accessories that could indicate that fewer and fewer people are willing to pay a premium for this type of tool.  I guess I'm not sure the market is right for a Festool version. 

 

[Wood_Junkie]

I just picked up the Ryobi 18v cordless oscillating tool yesterday.  I have a Fein MM, but sometimes I just need a quickie tiny cut and other times it's someplace awkward that a cordless is handy.  Since I have a pile o' Ryobi's batteries and tools, seemed like a no brainer for about $60. 

I used it today doing some final installation in my own home of baseboard cap, which required some very odd trimming and compound angles.  Worked a treat. 
Has some interchangeable heads which might be fun/useful in the future.

 

[fshanno]

I just picked up the Ryobi 18v cordless oscillating tool yesterday.  I have a Fein MM, but sometimes I just need a quickie tiny cut and other times it's someplace awkward that a cordless is handy.  Since I have a pile o' Ryobi's batteries and tools, seemed like a no brainer for about $60. 

I used it today doing some final installation in my own home of baseboard cap, which required some very odd trimming and compound angles.  Worked a treat. 
Has some interchangeable heads which might be fun/useful in the future.

I'm very interested in that thing.  I've got the 18v Ryobi cordless weedeater and I'm looking for other things to use the battery on.  It uses the Rigid parts. 

It would be interesting to see a picture of the job that Ryobi did for you.

Seems like Festool would be wasting their time.  When quality third party blades started coming out that ship sailed. 

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I just picked up the Ryobi 18v cordless oscillating tool yesterday.  I have a Fein MM, but sometimes I just need a quickie tiny cut and other times it's someplace awkward that a cordless is handy.  Since I have a pile o' Ryobi's batteries and tools, seemed like a no brainer for about $60. 

I used it today doing some final installation in my own home of baseboard cap, which required some very odd trimming and compound angles.  Worked a treat. 
Has some interchangeable heads which might be fun/useful in the future.

I'm very interested in that thing.  I've got the 18v Ryobi cordless weedeater and I'm looking for other things to use the battery on.  It uses the Rigid parts. 

It would be interesting to see a picture of the job that Ryobi did for you.

Seems like Festool would be wasting their time.  When quality third party blades started coming out that ship sailed. 

I don't think so.  Look at the sanders Festool makes and those of other brands.  Similar, but they have one or more differences that makes them sell.  Maybe a Multimaster style tool isn't such a hard idea to conceive from Festool?  Something else to consider.  Yes, the prices have come down with competition, but the Fein Supercut series is still mucho dollars and more powerful.  Maybe that's what Festool is aiming at?

 

[tallgrass]

2 words ............... Super cut......nothing else needs to be said. Either you bought one or you should have. [big grin]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Fein still hasn't changed over the Supercut's blade mounting/changing mechanism like they did with the Multimaster.  That's the only improvement I can think of.

 

[semenza]

Fein still hasn't changed over the Supercut's blade mounting/changing mechanism like they did with the Multimaster.  That's the only improvement I can think of.

Yes, but you're not a Festool engineer  [bite tongue]  [poke]  [tongue]  [laughing]

Seth

 

[arbfincarp]

Fine does have a quick change super cut i have had it for a year this is my second super cut.The super cut has twice the cutting power of the MM.As a kitchen installer
the tool is not replaceable.Metal wood drywall etc.

 

[neeleman]

Fein still hasn't changed over the Supercut's blade mounting/changing mechanism like they did with the Multimaster.  That's the only improvement I can think of.

In Europe there is a Supercut FSC 2.0 Q with the same Quick mechanism as the Multimaster since 2009. Maybe it's NAINA?
Since a few months there is also a battery version of the Supercut AFSC 18 also with Quick mechanism.

 

[John Bates]

Using decent blades makes all the difference, I have the Fein MultiMaster and have tried several different makes of blades. The cheap ones are ok for diy or one off tasks but if you are relying on the tool to earn you money, get decent blades to do a good job.

 

[jmbfestool]

Fein still hasn't changed over the Supercut's blade mounting/changing mechanism like they did with the Multimaster.  That's the only improvement I can think of.

In Europe there is a Supercut FSC 2.0 Q with the same Quick mechanism as the Multimaster since 2009. Maybe it's NAINA?
Since a few months there is also a battery version of the Supercut AFSC 18 also with Quick mechanism.

I have been wanting the battery version for a while until I saw the price Tag and decided maybe ill spend my money else where lol!  The battery version is SILLY money!

I have a cheap cordless Milwaukee fein and YES I HATE the alan key to remove the blade does my head in! but  it saves me setting up a lead and everything just to do 1 cut.    If I did not have the Milwaukee one maybe just maybe I would of bought the Fein Super cut battery version as with my multi master I LOVE the quick mechanism is so easy just to change blade but also move the blade round for awkward cuts

Maybe one day if the price goes down ill buy the cordless version! Looks amazing it claims to be more powerfull than the Multimaster even though its cordless

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Thanks for that info.  It took Fein long enough.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Fein still hasn't changed over the Supercut's blade mounting/changing mechanism like they did with the Multimaster. That's the only improvement I can think of.

Yes, but you're not a Festool engineer  [bite tongue]  [poke]  [tongue]  [laughing]

Seth

...but I play one on tv.

I see Festool coming out with something to compete with the Fein Supercut, but with a proprietary, patented blade style as that'll give them a good long-term profit in consumables.

 

[honeydoman]

For most cutting that most do I don't think dust collection Is a factor. I usually use the multi for cutting baseboard out of the way for a cab to fit  Cuts like that I would not bring in vac

Since I have the ro 90 I don't use multi for sanding any more

And if Festool came out with one it would be over kill in a saturated market. That prices have really come down. And festools would be on the higher price end.  Then they would have way to many units not sold and would hAve to hire me to do an info-commercial to sell them off !!  Lol

But who knows. Time will tell

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Kreg, I bet you'd take that back if you're the one doing the infomercial.  [wink]

 

[GhostFist]

I don't get this over saturated market nonsense. it's not like there's only two companies in the world that make drills or routers. id be interested to see what festool comes up with

 

[AlexThePalex]

I don't get this over saturated market nonsense. it's not like there's only two companies in the world that make drills or routers. id be interested to see what festool comes up with

Completely agree. There's nothing saturated. Let the free market do it's work. About time Fein got some competition. Mind you, I'm not expecting anything, this is just gossip after all ........

Hard to believe how all the people here jump up and down like little kids in a candy store when Festool announces a new machine, for something as trivial as just another jigsaw or just another drill, but when it comes to a rare type like the multimaster there's objection this, objection that ........  [eek]