luvmytoolz
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I suspect as per usual the systainers and rails will completely bypass the Aussie market! ;-(
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woodbutcherbower
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Peter Halle said:
If it’s been properly anodised like my TSO stuff - pretty much forever. If it hasn’t - around half a dozen cuts [big grin]
I'm a bit disappointed that there is a special edition of the TSC 55, which probably means there won't be a TSC 60 released in 2025 [crying]
Disclaimer: rant following
Well, I'm no engineer and know nothing about owning or running a tool company, but it seems to me it would not be that hard to develop a TSC 60. Especially since Festool developed a table saw (CSC SYS 50) that uses the same blades as the TS 60 and works on 2 batteries like the TSC 55.
So they have the 36V motor, electronics and batteries and just need to adapt the housing of the TS 60, right?
We don't need a tracksaw that will sense what material it is and will order the right blade for you on the internet or some other superfluous stuff. Come on Festool, what is taking so long.
Oh and while I'm off on a rant, how hard can it be to bring out a CS SYS 50 on normal power instead of batteries?
Rant over
Anyway, enjoy your day and yes, that blue rail does like cool [cool]
Disclaimer: rant following
Well, I'm no engineer and know nothing about owning or running a tool company, but it seems to me it would not be that hard to develop a TSC 60. Especially since Festool developed a table saw (CSC SYS 50) that uses the same blades as the TS 60 and works on 2 batteries like the TSC 55.
So they have the 36V motor, electronics and batteries and just need to adapt the housing of the TS 60, right?
We don't need a tracksaw that will sense what material it is and will order the right blade for you on the internet or some other superfluous stuff. Come on Festool, what is taking so long.
Oh and while I'm off on a rant, how hard can it be to bring out a CS SYS 50 on normal power instead of batteries?
Rant over
Anyway, enjoy your day and yes, that blue rail does like cool [cool]
luvmytoolz
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I'm actually holding off replacing my 45 year old ATF55 in desperate hope they bring out a TSC60!
Surely it must be inevitable?
Surely it must be inevitable?
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Well, with Festool it is not about "hard". Festool (and Maffel and some other traditional quality-based German tool makers) do not do "fashion" tools. I.e. they do not participate in the "fashion item of the year" contest as the rest of the market does.wpz said:
The elephant in the room is the long-term serviceability of their tools.
It is economically impossible to maintain spare parts inventory with "fashion item of the year" tool releases.
If you ask for them, you are also asking to abolish spare parts availability. Think before wishing. You may screw it for everyone shall you get your wish.
Many non-powered tools like the MFT were moved into the "accessories" section in 2025, meaning the 10 years spare parts availability is probably dropped for them for new purchases (!).
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There are three types of tool updates FT does:
- minor "tweak" updates that just tweak a component here and there, more like bugfixes in software
- minor "facelift" updates that redo a part of the tool but leave most (mainly the size and accessories) identical
- major updates where the whole tool is redone from scratch, it becomes a new tool in essence
The TS 55 F was a tweak update (just blade-matching).
The TSC 55 K was the facelift update as the electronics was updated while mechanicals were kept mostly as is.
The TS 60 was a new tool from scratch.
The move to 168 mm blades necessitated a complete new redo. Festool decided to split the market on cost at the same time - leaving a "good-enough" market to TS 55 series while moving the price bracket of their "best around" product slightly upscale.
A putative "TSC 60" requires a complete tool redo, the same as we saw with the TS 60. While it will re-use lots of TS 60 mechanical parts, it makes all kinds of sense to introduce it only after the TS 60 has had enough time on the market so that any unforeseen design issues could have been tweaked-out of the design. The same is true for the putative HKC 60 that is probably even more needed.
Either way, the policy which makes FT be FT - the long term parts availability - is also what makes any "easy to make" arguments just not enough to trigger a tool release. One simply cannot have both at the same time.
Another factor might be the size of the R&D team. I think that until about a decade ago Festool didn't have an in-house industrial designer. I remember reading somewhere that they had an intern ID who did his final thesis / master on a Festool product and that the management was so much impressed by the guy that they offered him a job, which he took. (Please correct me if I am wrong - my memory may be vague…)
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Not a special edition, but I was just on the Festool Corporate site looking to see about whether or not the CT-MINI I and CT-MIDI I were replaced with CTC-only, but then I ran across a new CT-MIDI I AutoClean coming later this year.
I... Um...
Don't expect them in North America, unfortunately. I would be pleasantly surprised if we got one, but we never got the CT 26 AC, so a MIDI I AC seems like a wish too far.
I... Um...
Don't expect them in North America, unfortunately. I would be pleasantly surprised if we got one, but we never got the CT 26 AC, so a MIDI I AC seems like a wish too far.
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Be happy about that. A CT 26 AC is about equivalent with the CT Mini AC. Not a good ideaTM.squall_line said:
The practical tub capacity for a CT26 AC operation is about only 5 liters of dust. For the CT 36 it is about 15 liters and for the CT 48 about 30 liters.
In Europe most places are "the land of bricks and concrete" .. so pretty much every site person needs an AC vac even if one does not touch drywall all year long. So there is a market for CT 26 AC for small jobs site use. I do not see such a market in the US.
The Midi, on the other hand, has a tub that is deeper than a CT 26 one. Can probably take about the same 5l of dust a CT 26 can, possibly more. The top air intake helps too.
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The only thing missing, in my view, is a proper "CT MAXI I" offering. There is no real reason to not offer a CT 25l bin version of the small vacs. Especially for AC use it makes all kinds of sense.
EDIT:
OK, just noticed that the new MIDI AC vacs garage will NOT take Classic (or Makita) systainers.
What are they thinking?!? I had to check coke did not become legal in Germany.
There is one silver lining though. The availability of CTH MIDI means there will be asbestos-rated main filters and bags available for all of the "small" series vacs. Making the CT MINI even more of a choice for a great home vac in Europe.
