OF 2200 Router: Member Feedback

Timmy,
  Your description of the OF2200 above sounds exactly like the OF2000 to me.  I've been hogging at the white oak with it myself.  Also, with a bit as large in diameter as that roundover, I'd want to have that oversized oblong base on the bottom.  Does the OF2200 have one as an option?  It adds an amazing amount of stability to any router, especially around the corners.  I'd also want to know if the oversized base accepts such a large diameter bit, or would it need to be opened up?  It's a pricey accessory for the OF1400, yet incredibly important to me.  I made one a while ago for each of my routers that use large diameter bits.
  BTW, let the SS workers have this large a router.  The work they do is to hard to flip over onto a shaper anyway.  As is your table, but I could round over that edge with the large PC, as I've done it for along time now, no plunging required.  A roundover shouldn't be a tough cut.  Throw a 7/8"w x 3/4"d dadoe in it for a few feet & then tell me what you think.  Do it with both the OF2200 & the OF 2000, side by side.  Make it a plunge cut as well.  If the OF2200 can go in one pass, I'd be impressed, as the OF 2000 can, but who would?  The router bit can't take the heat in the white oak, & if you want to get some lineal footage out of the bit it should be treated better than that anyway.   A lot of heat is generated in the bottom of that cut.   At $370.00 more than the OF2000 it really needs to make coffee as well & tea.  :D
  Otherwise, as I said, let the SS guys buy it.  The solid surface counters now sell for more than the real stones that they were  designed to simulate.  It's the preferred countertop now, & it's like gold to the fabricators.  Nobody ever payed that much for P.L. tops, or butcher block.  They make a fortune on just the tops, & it may pay off for them.  I make furniture, not much money.  :D  Most of the larger SS shops also have CNC equipment for the pattern & bowl cuts, & the small shops want one.  The other thing about SS is it's not stone.  It cuts like a soft wood & is really hard only on the bits.  I've used a small plunge router for the sink cut outs, though it's not neccesary. I usually drill a hole in the center & rout out the cut out to a shop template, hot glued or, clamped to the bottom, with a bottom bearing bit.  Either way it's 1/2" th. plastic & not hard on the tool itself, just tough as nails on the bit as it's quite abrasive to the cuttiong edge.  The dust on the other hand is brutal, & usually merciless.  I'm not sure I'd want to experiment with $800.00 (plus accessories  :()  by throwing one out into an SS shop.  It will be used by employees as any sensible SS fabrication shop owner does not work on the material.  Ever smelled it?  Nobody enjoys working it.  In that sense it's not wood, just chemicals.
  With the diversity of my shop, & I'm sure yours, an affordable, flexible router is a must.  It could get dropped a few times or abused by an employee & still need replacing.  In the SS shop it will be abused by the employees, especially at that weight.  The OF2200 only seems suited to the heaviest of applications.  If all the power tools in the shop increased in price as this router now has, we'd all be out of work as soon as the last router died. 
  Peace brother, the table is rocking, & not just on edge like that on photo.   ;D
Oh, & let us know how the two routers do side by side at that plow dadoes. 
 
Terp, I would have quoted you on that but we are trying to save paper. :P  We will indeed put the mamba jambas to the test.  I can't wait to get some video of the "contest" as well.  I hear ya on the dough...I really do!  We have the 7518's in here as well, and it has certainly been a staple in most shops.  All I am saying is the OF2200 is as smooth as silk, and the throat will take a very, very large bit.  It is a portable shaper indeed.

Timmy
 
whats that in english  ::)

a tad shy of 86mm, thats big for a handheld

a router running a bit that size needs to be set in a table
 
dirtydeeds said:
whats that in english  ::)

Yet another reason I like the new 2200.  It is not an exclusively metric Festool.  Since they do sell the "inches" version, no metric police can swoop down on me now.  ;D 

I agree with Terp, and there have been many discussions about the price.  I believe that it will be a hard sell to convert those who have used the paradigmatic routers for years and years.  I totally agree that 800 for the router alone is stiff.  All I am saying is that this is one smooth running big #&@ router that will smoke others in it's class...regardless of price.  Those who purchase without remorse towards price will love it! turn around and buy it again.

Timmy
 
Timmy,
  Don't get me wrong. I do like the new router.  I'm a whore with a toolbox & it's sexy.  I'm just feeling good about not wanting this one.  Maybe I just have enough routers..............Nah.  :D
  I forgot about it coming in Imperial dimensions as well.  I sure hope they do that with the rest of the offerings.  It seems like they certainly know the power tool is headed to the states, by the time the scales are applied to it.  It seems like the wiring is already set by that point on the line for a UL listing.  Besides, it would really be appreciated. 
  I'm used to converting & hardly use the scales on alot of the tools to closely anyway.  It's always a test cut & then I adjust the tool.  Not like with the table saw, where I need accuracy on the scale. 
  I used a router bit, like the one in your photo, for quite a while in a PC 7518.  We would make these dining tables of 1-1/2" th  MDF, doubled in thickness at the edges to 3".  The tables would be profiled to a bullnose with a 1-1/2" radius router bit in the PC.  Oh man, do I wish I had dust collection on the router back then!  I think the vacuum hose might get in the way though.  It's alot to handle with that router & bit.  The boom might help, but I don't like to play around with such an operation, & I'd hate to turn & hit the hose trying to decide where to put the router at the end of the cut.  That's what employees are for.  Turning & hitting the hose with the spinning bit.  :P
  The tables would be laquered by our finisher in really dramatic finishes.  Steve, our finisher, would make the tables look like stitched up goatskins as one example of a finish. 
  That's the same sized router bit, although actually that would be 3-1/2".  You could do it with 1-7/16" R. as well.  Let me tell you, this bit felt like a propellor, & the wind coming off it!  When you would finish the cut the router would go off the end of the top.  Therefore you would lift & bring the router back to the table top, then lay it on its side, before turning the switch off at the top of the router.  As you lift & turn this router to the bench you can feel the torque turning the motor & your hands
  It was quite a thrilling cutting maneuver actually.  :P  I liken it to setting up a shaper for say crown moulding.  Even with a stock feeder the best of us now we've reached a limit, of what's sensible, when running a large shaper setup.  Wow does that sound like a propellor!  No body ever stands in line with the wood being cut unless you're nuts, nor lean over too far to watch the cut start.  I've seen these machines fire wood through shop doors & walls.  Now once the cut is progressing & it's obvious the machine is well set-up, the heart rate goes down, but it's a thrilling moment when you start it all up.  Ever listen to a big shaper actually making these large cuts?  What a racket.  The next step up from there is a big moulder with four sided cutter heads, but they rob the thrill of the cut.  ;D
  Anyway, that's when I first made an oblong router base using an old router handle, 1/4" hardboard & two laminated P.L. faces.  Having the handle way back on the table top at the corners, meant not having to maneuver the router to get the switch.  Don't attempt this without it again Timmy.  Remember you're setting an example by showing the photos.  Did you have your googgles on?    ;D
  Oh & the vacuum, not the Midi next time.  Bring in your CT33 for the plunge dadoes.  I'll fill a bag in under 100 lineal feet of routing, & that's an 8 gallon bag on the CT33.  I think the added CFM make a big difference too, though even the CT33 won't pull waste from the bottom of the 3/4" deep dadoe.  It shoots back through the trough of the dadoe mostly.  I hold the router in on hand & move through the cut so sweetly though that I'm able to hold a block of wood in the cut behind the router, pushing it along at the base.  This creates enough blockage in the trough that the CT33 can pull everything out.  It's truly a great router to allow me to comfortably one hand the router itself, while pushing with the block from behind this way. 
  The cut is being made in three passes yet the resistance is great with any other router, not so with the OF2000.  I tried this operation with the OF1400 first & the bits bogged & burned.  I'm so pleased & impressed with the OF2000, that I thought I should defend it while it's still current & available.  Buy em up before they can't be found.  You won't ever have the chance to get so much router at this price again. 
  Timmy,  go ahead & run the comparison.  I bet you can sell twice as many OF2000's, at that price, compared to the OF2200 sales.  I know you'll move the MFT3 & the MFK router will fill a niche itself, but I don't think the OF2200 will fly off the shelf.  I know the OF2000 was a slow seller because it was too big for a lot of things, but it's a beast & well made. 
  You know, come to think of it, if I did own a SS fabricating shop, I would buy as many of the OF2000's as possible now, while they're still available.  It's like a two for one sale at that price!
  I see the MFT 1080 is still being hawked as if it were not being phased out.  It should come with a warning right now that it's being replaced with a better model for a modest price increase (though it is the limit of modest :D).  In several months Festool newbies, whose first Festool purchase was an MFT1080 in March 2008, will be on the FOG bitching about not knowing about all the differences before they bought. 
  The OF2000 on the other hand.  I say give Timmy a call, as he can get them for just so much longer.  I'm sure he'd like to sell them out of stock, at the mothership, himself. ;)
 
Terp said:
  I forgot about it coming in Imperial dimensions as well.  I sure hope they do that with the rest of the offerings.  It seems like they certainly know the power tool is headed to the states, by the time the scales are applied to it.

Scales?  Are the scales inch?  I thought the inch version was just because it included inch-sized copy rings.

Ned
 
Ok OF2200...imagine that it can be clipped into a base for a table router using the same mechanisim. The base can then hang off the MFT3 or be part of the CMS? system.....and in both be cranked above the table?? How would that change opinions?  If it is maybe possible and you dont have a big router or a table specific router then this sudenly becomes the router of choice...buying one rather than two quick change over...suddenly it all starts to make sense!

I would consider bonding the basic base to a router plate and then hanging it under a table irespective of what FEST might be proposing??

Piers
 
Piers,
  I hear you.  Alot of folks are talking about how these routers will work good in a router table.  I don't suggest using a plunge router as a router table fixture, for several reasons. 
  The first is that a plunge router is spring loaded to retract.  Not that it would always shift down while routing, but it could.  Irregardless of it slipping, adjusting a plunge router under at table requires pushing up all the time to set/adjust the router hieght.  You'll want to get someone to sit on the table so you may use two hands on the router.  ;D
  A fixed router is much less fussy to set, with or without a router lift.
  The other major reason is that this type of router is too versatile as a handheld.  I think this leaves one of the most versatile types of tools in the shop as a dedicated router table motor.  Also, it is quite heavy for quick detachment to use else where.
  I like to leave my last router table setup together until a project, or a step of a project is completed.  It's a blessing sometimes to run a little more of that last profile.  This pretty much leaves that router unavailable to use elsewear.  I recommend a good, yet cheaper router for your table router.
  Oh, remember also that positioning a router under a table is rough on a router.  I know we have the dust collection yet dust will flow through your router & it's abrasive (gravity).  I really don't think this is where I'd want my $800.00 router to live & work.  Best left to a consumable router.
 
I think the dust collection enhancements on the 2200 alone are worth the price of this router for SS guys. Terp wants to push the virtues of the 2000 because it is less money for a robust machine. That's one way of looking at it and I know I will never find my 2000 lacking for power on anything I can do handheld so I can agree with that part of the argument. But for those of us who would be dealing with SS debris, the 2200 has so much more to offer. We wear ear and eye protection because it is smart and, in an SS shop, it should be mandatory to meet OHSA requirements anyway. (Please don't let this get off track concerning the relative merits of OHSA requirements. I think we can all agree worker safety is important.) Any design enhancements to a router that can aprecieably improve air quality, much less clean-up time, should be a first order consideration. The productivity improvement possibilities are nothing to dismiss either. Realistically, this is not a furniture maker's router and should be judged according to the market for which it was designed. 
 
Greg,
  I agree.  The OF 2200 dust collection is a great improvement on the OF routers.  I've had a little trouble dealing with the hose protruding out the side, of the OF2000, myself & have removed it to finish a cut.  If you're not carefull it can pop off, if the hose is allowed to lift it.  I've ordered a few replacement dust shrouds as I expect this could easily hit the cutter some day.  Definitely wear goggles.
  I've worked in large cabinet shops for years & know how brutal employees can be with expensive tools as well.  I think the OF2000 is a great deal while available.  It seems cheap in price next to the OF2200.  Give it first to the careless workers.  :D
  I am glad to hear the dust collection is important feature to you as well.  For so many years it seemed normal in shops for routers to shoot waste.  Never minded much to be honest, until the SS arrived.  Yet I knew of no shop vac's that could handle the waste fromm SS. It is abrasive.
  I began working with Avonite, Fountainhead & Corian in the mid 80's, & stopped as soon as I could.  Nasty stuff.  The worst part for me was that it was all for furniture & a high gloss finish was always required.  We had to polish up to ebony rouge, like a car.  The last round of rouge always revealed a few scratches & back we'd go.  The results were so dramatic though.  Today I provide templates for my custom tops to a fabricator, & thankfully the high gloss is not requested now.  I think that was real 80's.
  Seeing as the dust collection does work so well for you I can see preferring the vertical dust shoot of the OF2200.  I also remember looking at the routers out in the shops at the end of a day though.  Some shops did alot of P.L. years ago & still do.  Look at the glue all over these routers, & the tape holding the wires together because they'd been cut while turning to put the router down on the bench.  I know that the same men who are fresh & careful on Monday morning are wiped out by Friday afternoon.  That's when routers can hit the floor. :P
  I hate to think of $800.00 routers treated this way, but if you can afford them & really think the dust collection will be used that efficiently, that's different.  Yet I think if you can stock up on a few OF2000's for only $430.00 each, it's attractive. & nearly consumable.
 
 
I have been using the OF2000 for the past year and had always wished festool made it with the same features as the OF1400. I was very excited to see the OF2200 minisite and watched it 3 or 4 times in disbelief! but much to my dissapointment all those cool features came at a very heavy price and I'm not talking about the $800 you would have to shell out! I am so upset that the weight is 17lbs. I think it would break my leigh jig! okay so can't I have the elec. break installed on my OF2000?

The weight on the OF2000 is perfect for the power that you can get from it.

After thinking about the pros and cons I ordered the of1400 + CT33 combo for about the same price.

Does anyone else think that the weight was a deciding factor for them with the OF2200??
 
I dont think that weight is a major issue as it starts to give you control....especially if you are using all the diferent bases!

I have a big deck to build choping out mortices in 6inch posts with this machine will be a joy...sure fine detail work is going to be better accomplished with one of the tiddlers in the Fezzy range. This under the side extension table on the MF3 is going to be great aswell. It apparently can be raised and lowered from above the table!

Piers
 
Here are a few OF2200 links for those who are interested in this router:

Operating Manual (in English)
Note that the diagrams are vector drawings, so that you can zoom in without loss of detail

Spare Parts List

Collection of Videos. Start up the IPT (Interactive Product Tour), Choose a language, click the double arrow towards the bottom right of the IPT, click on the green OF 2200 button, click on "Details OF 2200" and choose either "Applications" or "Product Details" to see available videos.

Sample Video - Using the OF 2200 with the routing aid to make recess for door hinges

Forrest

 
Forrest Anderson said:
Here are a few OF2200 links for those who are interested in this router:

Operating Manual (in English)
Note that the diagrams are vector drawings, so that you can zoom in without loss of detail

Spare Parts List

Collection of Videos. Start up the IPT (Interactive Product Tour), Choose a language, click the double arrow towards the bottom right of the IPT, click on the green OF 2200 button, click on "Details OF 2200" and choose either "Applications" or "Product Details" to see available videos.

Sample Video - Using the OF 2200 with the routing aid to make recess for door hinges

Forrest

That does it. Now I've seen those videos, I REALLY want one! In particular with the MFT3 router-table add-on! BTW, on the ninth video in 'applications' you can see the guy using one of the Protool mains drills with the centrotec chuck to drive in some big screws.
 
Maybe I missed this in the discussions or video, but is the base quick change mechanism available separately?  It would be great to buy a couple of them to mount onto a homemade circle cutting jig, mortising jig or flush trim jig.  It would save a lot of time having to unscrew one base and screw on the jig then change back to the regular base.

Tom.
 
Tom,

You can order every most parts of all their tools seperately. The part numbers are listed in the exploded view included in the manual, or on the ekat. The OF2200 has not been added to the ekat yet, though.

Oh, and ordering every part of a tool is more expensive than ordering the tool itself. I checked  ;D

Frans
 
According to a recent eBay advert from a dealer, it seems that the UK price of the 2200EB Set (Order No 574301) is 750.82 GBP.

Although not mentioned specifically in the auction description, this more expensive "Set" version of the router comes complete with the Accessories Systainer, (which equates to the Base Accessories Kit in the USA) and includes side fence, quide rail adapter, and a selection of bases and templates etc.

Forrest

 
I had a small go with one on Mon at Elliots. It is a fantastic peice of kit. I did however spurn it for a Domino!

It is a large chunk of machinery but the weight actually gives it a real sense of stability. Every thing does feel in the right place and very well thought out.

The 30* thingy makes perfect sense. The base system is spot on very easy to work in the flesh...quick and simple. The roiuter does hang off the bottom of the CMS with a revised clamping system...shame as I would have loved to have seen the base plate change system being the way you hung it under the table.

This thing will take anything you throw at it as I said the weight wont stop you useing it for more things than you think.

Definately somthing I will get next and then Im sorted bar accesories and a table saw.

Piers
 
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