Old Style Stairs!

[jmbfestool]

It all depends on how much amonia you use, and how concentrated it is in the air.

For that small piece, it was done with maybe a couple of teaspoons of amonia, sealed with the piece of oak in a plastic dustbin for (IIRC) about 4 hours.

For the stairs, you'd need to seal off the room (as near to completely airtight as you can) then you'd need (and I'm guessing here) maybe a couple of litres of amonia, and leave it 24 hours.

Trouble is, it will colour the existing old oak too so you may end up with the stairs still being lighter in colour, but everything a bit darker than it was.

If or when I comes to doin the fuming!  I would or he would cover up the existing OAK and make a temp studding above and around the stairs so I wont or he wont have to seal the enter room.  HE is still thinking about it cant make up his mind! So ill be waiting a abit for when I can come back and take pictures of everything painted stained and cleaned up  [sad]

Thank you for you help

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Just thought I would upload some pics what I did for the client last time I was der!

It does have the stairs showing so its still on topic lol

I did the Oak flooring!  Again it was something I have never done before not oak flooring its self as I have done a few of them BUT the oak floor boards them selfs I have never layed some like these before lol !

He had bought the oak flooring from some where for very cheap!   I could not tell which side was up so I just kept on picking the best side as the tongue and groove where centred so it did not mater which side i picked!

Another thing about the floor boards they where all rough cut ends so they where not square and a lot still had the blue paint on the end still! So I am assuming they where all just of cuts from longer pieces!  As non of these where more than 1metre and they where all varied.  So I had to cut EVERY board twice to square both ends up!  I wanted to then use my CMS and put a groove in each end and put a loose tongue BUT the client said NO he said no point buying cheap flooring then spending labour costs on doing that cus he said he might as well payed a bit more for normal floor boards.  So I just said fair enough and I just used 5min poly glue on the ends to try and hold them and to avoid creaking by them rubbing together if the glue was to break as its a kinda foam glue!  

Well its been more than 3 months now with the floor down and its still perfect as you can see in the picture!  I was glad I had my Rotex 150 because the ends where just but up so some times some of the ends did not stay flush at the top so I had to sand a lot to get them bang on flush! I would not recommend this way of laying the flooring but to keep the costs down I would say you can get away with it!

I also made the softwood doors which was a last minute decision while I was working on the floor as he said he had some softwood floor boards laying about for me to make them doors with.

I also did the skirting architrave and fitted the oak doors and the landing above the stairs.

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[jmbfestool]

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[pierreblonde]

It all depends on how much amonia you use, and how concentrated it is in the air.

For that small piece, it was done with maybe a couple of teaspoons of amonia, sealed with the piece of oak in a plastic dustbin for (IIRC) about 4 hours.

For the stairs, you'd need to seal off the room (as near to completely airtight as you can) then you'd need (and I'm guessing here) maybe a couple of litres of amonia, and leave it 24 hours.

Trouble is, it will colour the existing old oak too so you may end up with the stairs still being lighter in colour, but everything a bit darker than it was.

If or when I comes to doin the fuming!  I would or he would cover up the existing OAK and make a temp studding above and around the stairs so I wont or he wont have to seal the enter room.  HE is still thinking about it cant make up his mind! So ill be waiting a abit for when I can come back and take pictures of everything painted stained and cleaned up  [sad]

Thank you for you help

JMB

nice work jmbfestool !!

i made these oak doors about 3yr ago . I fumed them with ammonia, it works because oak is high in tannic acid,
its really easy to do and the colour is great, but you would have to make a tent around the stairs .
all i did was screw a piece of ply to the top of the door  frame in the workshop and cover the whole thing in plastic sheet, taped it all up and taped it around the bottom to the floor so it was air tight . i put 6 small cups with about 50ml of a cleaner for the local hardware that had a really high ammonia content , and left it for 24 hours, the long you leave it the darker it gets ,( it will go black eventually like old oak beams in stables )
good luck 

 

[jmbfestool]

It all depends on how much amonia you use, and how concentrated it is in the air.

For that small piece, it was done with maybe a couple of teaspoons of amonia, sealed with the piece of oak in a plastic dustbin for (IIRC) about 4 hours.

For the stairs, you'd need to seal off the room (as near to completely airtight as you can) then you'd need (and I'm guessing here) maybe a couple of litres of amonia, and leave it 24 hours.

Trouble is, it will colour the existing old oak too so you may end up with the stairs still being lighter in colour, but everything a bit darker than it was.

If or when I comes to doin the fuming!  I would or he would cover up the existing OAK and make a temp studding above and around the stairs so I wont or he wont have to seal the enter room.  HE is still thinking about it cant make up his mind! So ill be waiting a abit for when I can come back and take pictures of everything painted stained and cleaned up  [sad]

Thank you for you help

JMB

nice work jmbfestool !!

i made these oak doors about 3yr ago . I fumed them with ammonia, it works because oak is high in tannic acid,
its really easy to do and the colour is great, but you would have to make a tent around the stairs .
all i did was screw a piece of ply to the top of the door  frame in the workshop and cover the whole thing in plastic sheet, taped it all up and taped it around the bottom to the floor so it was air tight . i put 6 small cups with about 50ml of a cleaner for the local hardware that had a really high ammonia content , and left it for 24 hours, the long you leave it the darker it gets ,( it will go black eventually like old oak beams in stables )
good luck 

Thank you!

Yes its what I was thinking making a tent kinda thing.    I love the doors very nice work! I wish I could make something like that! Grand!

Cheers for tip

JMB

 

[Rob-GB]

Henceforth, you shall be known as "Ninja"...

(cough) .... Sir Ninja   [big grin]

How did you attach the balusters to the treads, I see the diamond shaped cut outs, how deep are they, and did you use any other means of fixing?
Also, have you noticed any sag in the stringers since all those treads have been put in? If the stringers flex too much with up and down traffic the stress on the joints of the balusters, handrail and treads may take some strain over time...  [scared] all the extra bracing you have put in does look very solid and well executed!! Boy I look forward to a job such as this some day... it looks right up my ally. I just hope to do it as well as you have done. At least I know who to ask for advice...  [not worthy]

The client said he has never walked up wooden stairs that felt so solid. He said kinda scary that the stairs do not creak or anything! I said y? He said well if some one was to come in to kill me I would not hear them coming up the stairs!  Haahaaa LOL

JMB

Then as "Sir Ninja" you should discuss installing "Nightingale Floors" with him, ninja's know all about them!!! (and how to avoid them  ;D)  [poke]

Very nice job JMB, your well on the way to being a joiner but don't forget your site chippy side, I trained as a carpenter & joiner (plus woodmachining) back when they hadn't dumbed down the training quite so much and have worked with guys who only understand one side or the other of the craft and they were hard work (in the sense they need to be walked through projects like apprentices but on full pay!) When they split the whole into three parts:- Joinery-Carpentry-Wood Machinist, they did the whole craft/trade a huge disservice, degrading skilled, intelligent people into being pigeon holed "fitters" (for want of a better description).
The world is full of people who are described as "window fitters" or "trussed roof specialist" etc but a skilled carpenter and joiner can not only fit/install they can design and make then install anything found in a house build etc, which is the route you seem to be taking.  [smile]

Keep up the great work and the interesting posts.  [thumbs up]

Rob.

 

[Nigel]

      Nice work JMB.When you gonna make the whole stair?Should be piece of cake for a chap with your skills.

 

[jmbfestool]

     Nice work JMB.When you gonna make the whole stair?Should be piece of cake for a chap with your skills.

Haa!  cheers!   I would love to make the entire stairs my self! Need a bandsaw for 1 to even try and tackle stairs like that.   Hope when I get my shop running it will be possible!    Thing is having second thoughts!  My mate is going to Australia soon for a year or so working.  Me and him do abit of work together like.  Well he has been nagging me to come with him!  Well I have always thought about going to Australia!  If Labour had stayed in I would of Defiantly of gone straight away good buy UK! But they didnt few! As most UK fog members must agree UK is going down to the dogs!  So maybe UK has a chance now?!?! [unsure] and to be fair I would like to stay in the UK and kinda scary going all that way unknown to live and work!! My mate going der has kinda givenme second thoughts again to go der!   So me and my girlfriend are going to go to Australia Late august some time 4 weeks cus my girlfriend is training to be a Midwife and she can do a weeks placement in Australia to see if she would like to work der also!

Ummm I dont know!      Whats the weather like in late August early september in Australia?     My girlfriend has been looking at Hervey Bay Hospital but my mate is going to Perth!  Completely the opposite side lol!

JMB

 

[jmbfestool]

Henceforth, you shall be known as "Ninja"...

(cough) .... Sir Ninja   [big grin]

How did you attach the balusters to the treads, I see the diamond shaped cut outs, how deep are they, and did you use any other means of fixing?
Also, have you noticed any sag in the stringers since all those treads have been put in? If the stringers flex too much with up and down traffic the stress on the joints of the balusters, handrail and treads may take some strain over time...  [scared] all the extra bracing you have put in does look very solid and well executed!! Boy I look forward to a job such as this some day... it looks right up my ally. I just hope to do it as well as you have done. At least I know who to ask for advice...  [not worthy]

The client said he has never walked up wooden stairs that felt so solid. He said kinda scary that the stairs do not creak or anything! I said y? He said well if some one was to come in to kill me I would not hear them coming up the stairs!  Haahaaa LOL

JMB

Then as "Sir Ninja" you should discuss installing "Nightingale Floors" with him, ninja's know all about them!!! (and how to avoid them  ;D)  [poke]

Very nice job JMB, your well on the way to being a joiner but don't forget your site chippy side, I trained as a carpenter & joiner (plus woodmachining) back when they hadn't dumbed down the training quite so much and have worked with guys who only understand one side or the other of the craft and they were hard work (in the sense they need to be walked through projects like apprentices but on full pay!) When they split the whole into three parts:- Joinery-Carpentry-Wood Machinist, they did the whole craft/trade a huge disservice, degrading skilled, intelligent people into being pigeon holed "fitters" (for want of a better description).
The world is full of people who are described as "window fitters" or "trussed roof specialist" etc but a skilled carpenter and joiner can not only fit/install they can design and make then install anything found in a house build etc, which is the route you seem to be taking.  [smile]

Keep up the great work and the interesting posts.  [thumbs up]

Rob.

Cheers Rob!    I have never been one for just wanting to learn one thing only I always like to try and learn everything always researching on internet to help me understand things better.  Some times lads on site though I was being a bit of a        asking why do you do it like that or how come you dont do it this way. As they often thought I was questioning der way of doing things but I was only asking cus I wanted to understand why it was done that way or why would doing it the other way be wrong stuff like that lol!

JMB

 

[Nigel]

     Nice work JMB.When you gonna make the whole stair?Should be piece of cake for a chap with your skills.

Haa!  cheers!   I would love to make the entire stairs my self! Need a bandsaw for 1 to even try and tackle stairs like that.   Hope when I get my shop running it will be possible!    Thing is having second thoughts!  My mate is going to Australia soon for a year or so working.  Me and him do abit of work together like.  Well he has been nagging me to come with him!  Well I have always thought about going to Australia!  If Labour had stayed in I would of Defiantly of gone straight away good buy UK! But they didnt few! As most UK fog members must agree UK is going down to the dogs!  So maybe UK has a chance now?!?! [unsure] and to be fair I would like to stay in the UK and kinda scary going all that way unknown to live and work!! My mate going der has kinda givenme second thoughts again to go der!   So me and my girlfriend are going to go to Australia Late august some time 4 weeks cus my girlfriend is training to be a Midwife and she can do a weeks placement in Australia to see if she would like to work der also!

Ummm I dont know!      Whats the weather like in late August early september in Australia?     My girlfriend has been looking at Hervey Bay Hospital but my mate is going to Perth!  Completely the opposite side lol!

JMB

Well the UK's been going to the dogs for years,doesn't matter who's in or out they're just different sides of the same coin.......corrupt. Anyway it's not just the UK.

As for Australia,I know a few aussies who holiday round here they all say 'what recession?'

They say it's hot there and that's compared to the  south of France!They come here to cool off!

August/Sept is winter/spring in Aus so probably like a UK summer.

If you do go you would need a ship for all your gear!

 

[Ken Nagrod]

If you do go you would need a ship for all your gear!

Don't give him any ideas.  He might try to build that next.

 

[pierreblonde]

     Nice work JMB.When you gonna make the whole stair?Should be piece of cake for a chap with your skills.

Haa!  cheers!   I would love to make the entire stairs my self! Need a bandsaw for 1 to even try and tackle stairs like that.   Hope when I get my shop running it will be possible!    Thing is having second thoughts!  My mate is going to Australia soon for a year or so working.  Me and him do abit of work together like.  Well he has been nagging me to come with him!  Well I have always thought about going to Australia!  If Labour had stayed in I would of Defiantly of gone straight away good buy UK! But they didnt few! As most UK fog members must agree UK is going down to the dogs!  So maybe UK has a chance now?!?! [unsure] and to be fair I would like to stay in the UK and kinda scary going all that way unknown to live and work!! My mate going der has kinda givenme second thoughts again to go der!   So me and my girlfriend are going to go to Australia Late august some time 4 weeks cus my girlfriend is training to be a Midwife and she can do a weeks placement in Australia to see if she would like to work der also!

Ummm I dont know!      Whats the weather like in late August early september in Australia?     My girlfriend has been looking at Hervey Bay Hospital but my mate is going to Perth!  Completely the opposite side lol!

JMB

jmbfestool

there is always plenty of work in the building trade  in OZ , it did slow down a bit but with all the floods and storms chippys can get plenty of work,( my brother is a sparky over there ) they work a bit different its nearly all timber frame so chuck your hammer drill away and get a good framing gun ? the east coasts the best side Queensland is the best state and if its Harvey bay you end up at its stays at about 20 and 30ºc all year but you get the rains in the summer (xmas time ) and your just off Frazer island the biggest sand in the world and great for fishing and offroading .
i sold my workshop in 1998 and emigrated to Brisbane made stairs for a guy for nearly 3yr then move back to good old blighty (its not a bad old island you know?)
and when just a lad in 1989/90 traveled right round it in a VDub splity with the future wife and joiners box of course  [laughing]