OT Back Problems

You guys are making my back pain seem minor.  I've been fighting lower back pain for the last 30 years.  I went to a surgeon once and he told me not to have surgery unless I could not walk.  His theory was when you get older your joints naturally stiffen which would reduce my discomfort.  That was about 20 years ago and I'm believe he may have been correct.  Of coarse I do get a massage every 2 weeks for the last three years, which is when I started feeling better.  The other thing I do every night before I go to bed is stretch the muscles in my legs and my gluts.  I have definitely noticed that if I don't stretch that is when my back can be aggravated the easiest.

 
DonT, I have been stretching every day morning and evening for the last 25 years. I do a regimen 7 upper body a 5 lower body. Makes a huge difference. Very glad to hear about a fellow stretcher. ;D

Just as an aside I had an EMG of my neck and arms done today and was told I have Acute Cervical Radiculopathy of my C7 and Carpal Tunnel of both hands. Well first I was glad to hear that I a cute anything  :D and that I had Carpal Tunnel just seemed like such a nothing thing that I had to laugh.  ;) So next I will probably be told that I have a hangnail as well.  ::) No slight meant to anyone who as Carpal Tunnel as it stinks and my Mom had it and had both of her hands operated on. Just for me it seems pretty minor right now. Fred
 
Fred, I'm sorry about your pain.  You would think with all the technology today they could do something about back problems.
 
Don T, and I am sorry about yours as well. Medicine is still much more an art than a science and despite all the advancements in some areas we (humankind) still seem to be blind as bats.  :( Fred
 
with the catalogue of our various back problems here

does FOG stand for........................................                Frail Old Gits  ;)
 
Fred West said:
DonT, I have been stretching every day morning and evening for the last 25 years. I do a regimen 7 upper body a 5 lower body. Makes a huge difference. Very glad to hear about a fellow stretcher. ;D

Just as an aside I had an EMG of my neck and arms done today and was told I have Acute Cervical Radiculopathy of my C7 and Carpal Tunnel of both hands. Well first I was glad to hear that I a cute anything  :D and that I had Carpal Tunnel just seemed like such a nothing thing that I had to laugh.  ;) So next I will probably be told that I have a hangnail as well.  ::) No slight meant to anyone who as Carpal Tunnel as it stinks and my Mom had it and had both of her hands operated on. Just for me it seems pretty minor right now. Fred
;)

Fred, I was recently mowing a customers lawn on one of my minor bad days.  I was having trouble putting the ramps back up on my trailor as i was ready to leave the job.  When my back is in a particularly uncompromising mood, i strap a 48" crowbar to the mesh of the ramp, giving me about 3 extra feet of leverage to lift all tht heavy iron.  the customer happened to notice and came out to be sure I was OK.  It turned out she is a RN and had also lived thru back pain as a younger woman.  She had been a dancer and also been blackbelt judo.  When her back had given out, she had had surgery.  the surgery had been successful the very first time (The only person i have ever known to have had success with the first sugery) and could function at her profession with no repercussions.  However, she could not go back to her dancing and judo exercises as she had had 3 or 4 vertebrae fused and her back is now too rigid.  We got into a rather lengthy discussion, whereupon i disclosed that along with all of the swollen and herniated discs in my back, two of the vertebrae were prone to fall out of allignment.  She told me that part was congenital and without a fusion, i would always have to live with the problem.  Perhaps it could even render me crippled.  Ah, the optimism of the medical profession :o

Later that day, i went home to my everloving LOML and told her I had exciting news about my back.  I told her it was caused because i was just a friendly guy.  (Of course i had to go on to explain my pun.  for those of us who may not immediately get the connection>>> I had to explain that the nuse had told me I was "congenial!" ::) :D ;D ;D

oh well, I'll let you chew on that one awhile :P
Tinker
 
Colinw, I?m typing this into word, as I cannot presently get a reply into this discussion.  Sometimes, there appear to be typos when I copy onto the FOG.  Please excuse.

Excuse also my apparent attempt to upstage your story about being run over by a semi.  As many here have discovered, I just have this nasty habit of being reminded of a story all too often when somebody very innocently makes a related remark.  Believe me, I am very considerate of your own feelings and compassionate to your follow-up of pain.  Most of us conversing in this conversation are sympathetic in like manner.  I do hope for your eventual and complete repair.

It was the day after Thanksgiving in 1959.  the reason I know the date (and exact time) will become apparent later on in this true tale. 

I was 28 years young and nearly every holiday I spent back on the farm in Massachusetts where I had spent the most fomative and joyfull year of my youth many years before.  By this time, I had bee living in Wilton, Connecticut since 1945 with exception of my two year vacation with Uncle Sam.  I now had my own business as a mason contractor.  With the festivities over, I felt I had to get back to Ridgefield and the fireplace job I was working on.  I wanted to get my share of the work inside completed so I could get out of the builders way.  It was pouring rain (nearly cloudburst proportions) and I did not really feel like going to work that day, but I talked myself into it.

By the time I got to Danbury, the rain had let up a little and I guess I thought if I stopped for a few minutes, I might get lucky and it would begin at a deluge once more.  I might then be justified in turning back towards Clayton where there was more fun involved than working in such dreary weather.

Right where the tracks go now beside White Street, there used to be a little deli that served the greatest ice-cream cones.  Whenever in the area, I would stop to replenish my taste buds. This was no exception. 

I got my double decker cone and started across the street to my truck.  There was a lot of traffic all of a sudden.  I guess everybody just had to get out with the short letup in the rain.  I got to the center line and had to wait for a letup in traffic before I could finish my traverse.  As I waited, a large truck (a coca cola truck with those side racks ful of crates of bottles) stopped and motioned for me to cross.

Now, one of the very first things I was taught about crossing seets as a child was that you should not just runn without full view of the road.  I guess, at 28, I considered myself beyond such admonitions and ran across in front of that large truck.  I did not want to make the kind driver wait, as I knew he had a long and wet day ahead of him. 

As I ran just past the front of that truck, I spotted another truck passing and preparing to make a right turn into the side street (A perfectly legal maneuver in this situation as it was four lanes and he was in the right turn lane)  He was still moving at a pretty good clip and so was i.  If I tried to stop, with all that water, I would have landed on my tail and ended up underneath the truck.  My instincts snapped in and I knew I did not want be runover.  I also did not care too much to have all my legs, arms and ribs broken.  The solution was to get up in the air and over the hood of the truck (a pickup).  I leaped directly at the truck but did not have time to clear the hood.  The hood smashed into my pelvis and I went flying thru the air. 

As I took off, I realized I still did not care too much about a second contact with that truck and had to get as far away as possible.  I started spinning my body.  As I was flying and spinning, I was also observing the pedestrians on the sidewalk.  They were far more horrified than I.  I was also watching that truck. As I landed, I just kept on rolling until I was use the truck had stopped rolling.  I got to my feet and ran back to the truck, opening the passenger door.  Those two guys were terrified and looked like ghosts.  I am sure they thought I was looking for a fight of sorts. 

I looked at them and asked quietly, ?Are you guys alright??

The poor driver had just been in this country from Italy for three days and he wondered if all Americans were this crazy.  I was actually ok (physically) but had a very sore hip for a week or so after. 

The driver has long since retired and his son has taken over his electrical business.  My son occasionally works on jobs with the son (My son is an excavation contractor) and one day he asked if his father had ever mentioned that event.  Just a few days before he had been telling the story to the family and he said he had not seen anything until all of a sudden, this guy was flying straight up into the air in front of him.

That is not the end of the story.

My wife is an immigrant (very legal) from Germany.  I had calculated long before that this event had happened the day after Thanksgiving, 1959 at almost exactly 11:00AM.  My (future) wife, first stepped foot off the gangplank from the SS United States onto the dock at New York City at 11:00 AM on the day after Thanksgiving in 1959.  We never met for another 6 years, but I tell her that her first act in the new country was to kick me in the ass and I never came back down for six years.

She would kill me if she knew I had repeated this part one more time.  I am hoping y?all keep it quiet for me

Colinw, I do hope your pain does not last nearly as long as the enjoyment I have had from my own ?run over by a truck? experience.  We?ve been married for 42 years this month and still going strong.

Tinker
 
Tinker,
          There is no upstaging here, just people relating their experiences and besides I always enjoy your stories. wow 42 yrs now thats hard to imagine.

Colin.
 
DD, now you all may be some Frail Old Grits. I am quite obviously the picture of good health. :D ;D

Tinker, with your gypsy blood, a Tinker's Dam and such you could not help but have many "congenial" conditions. :o ::) Let us just hope you have not passed any of this to children. :D Fred
 
picture of health fred

may i suggest you check with your doctor

your avatar hasnt moved for a week  :)
 
DD, Oh my gosh you are correct. I will immediately summon my doctor to my bedside and ask him what is wrong with me?  ;D :D ;) See here in the USA the docs all still make house calls, especially if Aunt Bee requests their presence. ;D :o ::) Fred
 
Tinker said:
..... She told me that part was congenital and without a fusion, i would always have to live with the problem.  Perhaps it could even render me crippled.  Ah, the optimism of the medical profession :o

Later that day, i went home to my everloving LOML and told her I had exciting news about my back.  I told her it was caused because i was just a friendly guy.  (Of course i had to go on to explain my pun.  for those of us who may not immediately get the connection>>> I had to explain that the nuse had told me I was "congenial!" ::) :D ;D ;D

oh well, I'll let you chew on that one awhile :P
Tinker

Tinker,

You really told that story to a "t"  !!

Dave R.
 
i hope fred's silence is a case of no news is good news and that he's just under heavy sedation  ::)  :P

............................... after recieving the doctors bill for the house call
 
colinw said:
TiColin, When we first met, I spoke NO German.  She spoke little English.  She taught me to say YA before she taught me to sat Nine.  I've been saying Ya ever since.nker,
          There is no upstaging here, just people relating their experiences and besides I always enjoy your stories. wow 42 yrs now thats hard to imagine.

Colin.
??? ;D ;D
Tinker
 
I had mentioned above that i now wear Timberwolf boots.  I'm afraid those might be a bit scratchy on the toes as they are Bandsaw blades.  i actually wear Timberlands.

I was asked by Fred how i get them with a 1/2" lift.  I do not.  i take them to a shoe maker/repairer who slits the soles and puts a 1/2" lift into the boot.  I have tried inserts inside of boots and shoes, but they get very uncomfortable.  The lifts get built right in to the soles and are far more comfortable.

For years, i went with a 1/4" lift on the heel, but eventually, that had to be changed to full !/2" sole, heel to toe.

you can have it done to any footwear.  just check with shoe maker to be sure, as some types of sneakers cannot be done that way.  I have workboots, dress shoes, slippers, everything hat goes on my feet except my socks 8)

I had not thought until Fred asked, but the info might be helpful somewhere along the way to others who are also suffering with back problems
Tinker
 
Tinker said:
I had mentioned above that i now wear Timberwolf boots.  I'm afraid those might be a bit scratchy on the toes as they are Bandsaw blades.  i actually wear Timberlands.

I was asked by Fred how i get them with a 1/2" lift.  I do not.  i take them to a shoe maker/repairer who slits the soles and puts a 1/2" lift into the boot.  I have tried inserts inside of boots and shoes, but they get very uncomfortable.  The lifts get built right in to the soles and are far more comfortable.

For years, i went with a 1/4" lift on the heel, but eventually, that had to be changed to full !/2" sole, heel to toe.

you can have it done to any footwear.  just check with shoe maker to be sure, as some types of sneakers cannot be done that way.  I have workboots, dress shoes, slippers, everything hat goes on my feet except my socks 8)

I had not thought until Fred asked, but the info might be helpful somewhere along the way to others who are also suffering with back problems
Tinker

I don't quite understand how a "lift" helps. Is it a cushion?
 
Tinker, well 0kay then. Timberlands I have heard of, Timberwolfs on the other hand I had not which is why I had asked? ;) :D I do have a couple of timberwolf bandsaw blades and I agree that they would be most uncomfortable. ;D So I like Michael's question. Are the lifts changing the position of your feet and legs thus setting your spine in a better position? Fred
 
Fred,  My chiro has me wearing a 5mm heal lift in my left shoe, who knows if it helps.  He did this based on my x'ray showing my pelvis was higher on one side than the other.  He started carrying a new line of orthodics, claims these are the only ones he knows of that actually cast your foot in their correct position vs most that are formed by standing on a scanner.  It makes sense because when you stand your arches naturally flatten out.  These also have some flex to them vs most inserts which are very stiff.  I should have them in a couple of weeks, we'll see if they help.  I have flat arches, pronation and a couple other things going on with my feet that I'm sure affect my spine in some form.  I'm up for anything that doesn't involve surgery.  So the answer to your question is yes, these adjustments to the feet are supposed to help the alignment of the spine.  How much benefit remains to be determined and will vary for each person.
 
Steve-CO, thank you and that truly makes sense. My orthotics are very stiff and every time I get them it takes several days for my feet to get used to them and stop hurting.  :( By the way, I also have flat feet and pronation. I am very anxious to hear how your lifts work and to hear back from Tinker on his.  :D Fred
 
As I said, one of my legs is shorter than the other.  This inequity causes a tipping of the pelvis.  That tipping puts a strain, in my case, lower back.  The combination of tipping pelvis, torn muscles, crushed and herniated discs and a dislocated (occasionally) pair of vertebrae, I need assistance.

The first orthopedic surgeon I went to over 50 years ago told me to wear a back brace, take a year off from work and come to him for physical therapy for a year, after which he could operate on me.  At the time, I was just starting a biz and decided I did not care for the time off aspect.  I did not think my creditors would be very enthusiastic either.

I had just been operated on my knee by the VA and so I asked the doc there if he could figure what was wrong.  He took a couple of X-rays and told me to put a lift on the heel of my right shoe and I would be fine.  Surprisingly, IT WORKED.  Some 20 or so years later, my problems had worsened until I found myself crawling on hands and knees into a previously unknown (to me) chiropractor.  (This could become a very long story with lots of little side episodes, so I?ll keep it short here)

He worked me over and I walked out upright, sort of.  After a few more visits, we discussed the problem and he suggested I go to a 1/2? heel lift.  That presented me with knee problems.  I finally went to an orthopedic shoe maker who rebuilt my right work boot with a 1/2? full sole lift.  I have incapacitated myself several times since then, but for the most part, unless I do something foolish, the sole works.  I now have, as said in previous post, every form of footwear, except my socks, rebuilt with half inch lift.

I know that some of you, as well as some of my friends have orthopedic inserts due to misshapen or awkwardly tipping feet.  My feet a strong and fine in that respect.  My problem, in part, starts with the fact that my leg is shorter from knee to ankle.  In all other respects, my feet and legs are fine.  It is just some other multiple issues (Remember, I am congenial?) that exacerbate my problems.  The lifts give me an area of relief that no other method can replace.
Tinker
 
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