Parf Dogs

[Rob Lee]

Much better prices, the old prices were ridiculous these are much better I might even get some myself;D

Will there be a UK stockist or can you send a bunch to Peter to send out ?

Hi -

I can confirm that Axminster has already ordered some... but it will likely take a bit of time before the get there! We still have to create and communicate a formal distribution plan.

The folks here are really the first ones to find out - even before dealers!

Cheers -

Rob

 

[msc]

Thats great Axminster are getting them, very easy to get them here then.

 

[joiner1970]

Thats great Axminster are getting them, very easy to get them here then.

+1

 

[grbmds]

Hello Peter,

First let me say I watched the video on your Parf Dogs the other night and they are absolutely brilliant! Thank You.
It's fantastic to read that Lee Valley is now going to be producing them. They're absolutely top shelf. I took delivery of their Veritas MFT Clamping Kit last week and will supplement this with Parf Dogs as soon as they become available. They'll be put into immediate rotation and I look forward to getting a lot of great use out of them.
My compliments on all of your efforts from inception to now partnering with LV.

Best Regards,
Dave
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I'm curious what additional functionality you get from adding the Parf Dogs to an already complete Veritas Clamping Kit (which also includes dogs).

 

[Claimdude]

I don't see a link for the Parf Dogs video mentioned in this post. Can someone post the link please?

Thanks
Jack

 

[dicktill]

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-sales-dealer-area/parf-dogs/

 

[Daver]

I'm curious what additional functionality you get from adding the Parf Dogs to an already complete Veritas Clamping Kit (which also includes dogs).

As Peter Parfitt details here starting at 2:45
the Parf Dogs can be used to achieve dead accurate crosscuts on the MFT/3 table without the use of the fence. There are other uses but the crosscutting feature sells me on them.

Dave

 

[Stone Message]

Just to add to Dave's post...

There will be a completely new Parf Dog video produced in the coming weeks and I will attempt to fire up your imagination so that you can find even more applications or ways of using the new design of Parf Dog.

When that new video is on YouTube I will delete the old one.

Peter

 

[joiner1970]

Be good if you could show them used with the sys mft for us mobile workers

 

[Stone Message]

Be good if you could show them used with the sys mft for us mobile workers

Well I would if I had one - perhaps if someone at Festool UK thinks that this is a good idea then they could let me borrow one.

Who are the Festool UK employees who use the FOG ? I can then PM them or make sure they read this.

Peter

 

[grbmds]

I'm curious what additional functionality you get from adding the Parf Dogs to an already complete Veritas Clamping Kit (which also includes dogs).

As Peter Parfitt details here starting at 2:45
the Parf Dogs can be used to achieve dead accurate crosscuts on the MFT/3 table without the use of the fence. There are other uses but the crosscutting feature sells me on them.

Dave

Further question then - Unless I'm missing something, the Veritas set, given it also contains multiple dogs that fit in the MFT holes, would server exactly the same purpose. How many dogs do you need on one particular task. Seems like the Veritas kit has sufficient dogs and even adds clamps which fit in the holes. I'm thinking that this would be the extent of what you would usually need unless there was some unique job you were doing that required additional dogs.

 

[Rob Lee]

Further question then - Unless I'm missing something, the Veritas set, given it also contains multiple dogs that fit in the MFT holes, would server exactly the same purpose. How many dogs do you need on one particular task. Seems like the Veritas kit has sufficient dogs and even adds clamps which fit in the holes. I'm thinking that this would be the extent of what you would usually need unless there was some unique job you were doing that required additional dogs.

Hi -

The Parf dogs actually complement the Veritas set. The main difference between the two is that the Veritas MFT set was designed for work-holding, where the Parf dogs (the tall ones) are intended as a complement to track saw (and similar)operations - more about positioning. Certainly the small SS dogs have a lot of functional overlap with the small dogs in the Veritas set.

Cheers -

Rob

 

[Stone Message]

I like that the collar height will be 10mm which will allow me to use a 1/4" sacrificial piece of MDF under the work piece with enough additional height for the collar to register the work piece.
Using the Parfs for cutting, the width of the Festool guide rail effects the kerf line to intersect a row of holes -- I'm in the minority with reluctance to adding kerf cuts to the nice MFT work surface and even less with kerfs intersecting holes so my sacrificial 1/4" MDF along with the well designed Lee Valley Parfs will do me nicely.
I'll be ordering two (2) sets of both the long and short versions.  [thumbs up]

Hi Ron,

The kerf line is just a factor of the 96 mm pitch and guide rail width and we have been used to this with the original design. It is not an issue for me but if anyone is really concerned then one can either follow your lead and have a sacrificial (1/4" MDF) under your work piece or use a 1-2" parallel sided spacer between the Parfs and the guide rail to move things over. I think that there are people around who do not like to saw into their MFT top at all and so your option of the sacrificial piece under the work may be attractive to them. For me, I am happy to just use it as it comes.

Peter

 

[Stone Message]

I like that the collar height will be 10mm which will allow me to use a 1/4" sacrificial piece of MDF under the work piece with enough additional height for the collar to register the work piece.
Using the Parfs for cutting, the width of the Festool guide rail effects the kerf line to intersect a row of holes -- I'm in the minority with reluctance to adding kerf cuts to the nice MFT work surface and even less with kerfs intersecting holes so my sacrificial 1/4" MDF along with the well designed Lee Valley Parfs will do me nicely.
I'll be ordering two (2) sets of both the long and short versions.  [thumbs up]

Hi Ron,

The kerf line is just a factor of the 96 mm pitch and guide rail width and we have been used to this with the original design. It is not an issue for me but if anyone is really concerned then one can either follow your lead and have a sacrificial (1/4" MDF) under your work piece or use a 1-2" parallel sided spacer between the Parfs and the guide rail to move things over. I think that there are people around who do not like to saw into their MFT top at all and so your option of the sacrificial piece under the work may be attractive to them. For me, I am happy to just use it as it comes.

Peter

Now that the Parfs had made it very easy to duplicate the MFT tops perhaps I'll get crazy & start kerfing my tops also...  [unsure]
It's really a minor concern.

Hopefully Rob will take your lead & also begin to offer the twist drill bits that you demonstrated while making your MFT tops.  I'd prefer to see it offered with a ~1/2" shank.

When I replicated my last MFT top I was tempted to leave one column and one row of holes un-drilled that would be at the right spots for sawing (North-South and East-West). Some people might find that tricky as they might have to do some cuts in different areas of the MFT3. For me that would not apply as I have made extensions for my MFT3 which allow me to always do my cuts in the same place.

Peter

 

[Slappy]

^^^^ I plan on buying a replacement MFT top & use it as a template jig to make my own long table top that way making the 20mm holes spacing would be exact & precise
Using Peter's process of copying the top one could just walk the jig across a 4 x 8 sheet of MDF & precisely cut all the holes  in minutes .
The MFT tables are just too small for my use .
I'd keep the MFT top as jig over with all my other saved jigs .  
So the Parf dogs are on the next to buy list of mine  ;D

 

[Stone Message]

^^^^ I plan on buying a replacement MFT top & use it as a template jig to make my own long table top that way making the 20mm holes spacing would be exact & precise
Using Peter's process of copying the top one could just walk the jig across a 4 x 8 sheet of MDF & precisely cut all the holes  in minutes .
The MFT tables are just too small for my use .
I'd keep the MFT top as jig over with all my other saved jigs .  
So the Parf dogs are on the next to buy list of mine  ;D

Hi Slappy, one of the things I have on my list to do is to make a slightly larger mobile bench with the MFT pattern of holes done the way you suggest. The holes make jig work, work holding and, of course, sawing using the Parf Dogs, so easy. My bench will be on heavy duty castors, have some storage underneath and be able to support most of an 8x4 sheet if required. At a guess (I have not designed it yet) it might be 800 x 1600 mm (about 2/3 of an 8x4 in each direction.

Peter

 

[Slappy]

^^^^ I plan on buying a replacement MFT top & use it as a template jig to make my own long table top that way making the 20mm holes spacing would be exact & precise
Using Peter's process of copying the top one could just walk the jig across a 4 x 8 sheet of MDF & precisely cut all the holes  in minutes .
The MFT tables are just too small for my use .
I'd keep the MFT top as jig over with all my other saved jigs .  
So the Parf dogs are on the next to buy list of mine  ;D

Hi Slappy, one of the things I have on my list to do is to make a slightly larger mobile bench with the MFT pattern of holes done the way you suggest. The holes make jig work, work holding and, of course, sawing using the Parf Dogs, so easy. My bench will be on heavy duty castors, have some storage underneath and be able to support most of an 8x4 sheet if required. At a guess (I have not designed it yet) it might be 800 x 1600 mm (about 2/3 of an 8x4 in each direction.

Peter

I'll be making a top only & then design 2 supports to hold up the top , I plan to have the supports  to be multiple use small tables that would act as a support system  to the removable top .  I want to be able to break down to save floor space BUT not for on site use . Just so I'd have flexibility to use the center of the room . the smaller support tables would also have the 20mm holes cut to their tops as well

any chance that some Perf dogs have a opening on top that is threaded for adding jigs ??  

 

[Stone Message]

any chance that some Perf dogs have a opening on top that is threaded for adding jigs ??   

I will leave that for the good folks at Lee Valley to digest but I suspect that for the very few that need it you would be better to drill and tap yourself - I have done this and it is not rocket science.

Peter

 

[Slappy]

any chance that some Perf dogs have a opening on top that is threaded for adding jigs ??   

I will leave that for the good folks at Lee Valley to digest but I suspect that for the very few that need it you would be better to drill and tap yourself - I have done this and it is not rocket science.

Peter

Yeah , i was thinking after posting , that it would best (cheaper)if I did drill & tap my own .
But really to take the usefulness to the maximum a top access point is a good idea on " ANY " of these types of  Table Dogs

 

[Stone Message]

any chance that some Perf dogs have a opening on top that is threaded for adding jigs ??   

I will leave that for the good folks at Lee Valley to digest but I suspect that for the very few that need it you would be better to drill and tap yourself - I have done this and it is not rocket science.

Peter

Yeah , i was thinking after posting , that it would best (cheaper)if I did drill & tap my own .
But really to take the usefulness to the maximum a top access point is a good idea on " ANY " of these types of  Table Dogs

I understand.

Peter