Parf Dogs

[GhostFist]

Rob, your tool additions within the last 5 years, including the festool range, have made Lee Valley an amazing place to shop! You seem to be bringing in all the right stuff lately and whoever is responsible deserves to be recognized. Keep up the good work! And Happy Thanksgiving! I'm thankful for Lee Valley right now.

 

[Stone Message]

Peter can you let us all know when axi have them in stock ?

I spoke to Axminster this morning. The guy said that they are not sure of exact shipping dates but he seemed to think that it would all happen reasonably quickly. I have asked them to email me when they have something definite for the UK crowd.

Peter

 

[joiner1970]

Cheers , do they have any UK prices yet ?

 

[Stone Message]

Cheers , do they have any UK prices yet ?

I did not ask but I suspect they are busy preparing all of that sort of thing - web site, entry catalogue number and so on.

I will post any information that I get as soon as it comes in.

Peter

 

[cliffp]

I received the 2 Parf dogs and two small dogs today. They were very nicely packed and are beautifully made (as one would expect from Lee Valley). I tried setting up a cut to see how square the guide rail was to the long edge of the workpiece and it was absolutely perfect! I checked the diameters and they were all 19.90mm. There was a bit of wobble in the dogs which I thought might be an issue with the Parf (ie taller) dogs particularly if thicker wood was being cut so I used the knobs on the clamping elements to tighten them down - this got rid of the wobble completely. I can't imagine there would be any significant error with these dogs as they are machined to such tight tolerances and therefore the pair responsible for alignment in each plane are perfectly matched (indeed all four are perfectly matched). I think the diameters are probably just right as they would be difficult to insert if they were any larger.

I don't recommend importing to the UK as it is too expensive. The dogs themselves are a bargain at 35 dollars (2 Parf, 2 normal) but reasonably quick postage to the UK (3 working days) is another 35 dollars (UPS) and duty and brokerage fees adds a massive £20.65 bringing the total cost in sterling to £65!

I have been in touch with Axminster to find out how much they will charge and they said £17.75 for a pair of Parf dogs and £13.20 for a pair of small dogs - both prices including VAT.  They have now placed their order and expect stock to be available within 6 weeks (this just based on past experience).

I think this represents a bargain.

 

[joiner1970]

Well done Cliff on getting the prices from axi

I've got a friend on a UK forum who's making me some similar dogs for free from stainless steel. So unless that doesn't work out I doubt I will be buying any now.

However those prices are pretty good I don't think axminster have been greedy.

 

[ajones]

thanks for the reveiw and axminster info I will have to get some.. [thumbs up]

 

[cliffp]

I will have to get some.. Thumbs Up

You will have to get some - they are 'the dogs' in more ways than one...

 

[Stone Message]

I received the 2 Parf dogs and two small dogs today. They were very nicely packed and are beautifully made (as one would expect from Lee Valley). I tried setting up a cut to see how square the guide rail was to the long edge of the workpiece and it was absolutely perfect! I checked the diameters and they were all 19.90mm. There was a bit of wobble in the dogs which I thought might be an issue with the Parf (ie taller) dogs particularly if thicker wood was being cut so I used the knobs on the clamping elements to tighten them down - this got rid of the wobble completely. I can't imagine there would be any significant error with these dogs as they are machined to such tight tolerances and therefore the pair responsible for alignment in each plane are perfectly matched (indeed all four are perfectly matched). I think the diameters are probably just right as they would be difficult to insert if they were any larger.

I don't recommend importing to the UK as it is too expensive. The dogs themselves are a bargain at 35 dollars (2 Parf, 2 normal) but reasonably quick postage to the UK (3 working days) is another 35 dollars (UPS) and duty and brokerage fees adds a massive £20.65 bringing the total cost in sterling to £65!

I have been in touch with Axminster to find out how much they will charge and they said £17.75 for a pair of Parf dogs and £13.20 for a pair of small dogs - both prices including VAT.  They have now placed their order and expect stock to be available within 6 weeks (this just based on past experience).

I think this represents a bargain.

That is excellent information - I asked Axminster yesterday and they did not know prices - I suspect I was not talking to the right person. Lee Valley did well to get yours to you so soon. I am waiting for mine to arrive and I will then make the new video.

Peter

 

[cliffp]

Its a great product Peter and about time you got some return on your investment in the time to design and demo them.

 

[Vincep74]

Hi !

I couldn't wait => i ordered the Parf Dogs and the small dogs this saturday.

UPS tried to deliver today but i wasn't at home...  :'( 
So i give them another adress and i expect the delivery be for tomorrow..

Unfortunately, I saw  on the UPS InfoNotice that i'll have to pay 33.34 eur for duty and brokerage fees, like cliffp.  I tried, I lost!

It's stupid, i should have waited for Axminster.. but that was above my strength after the story with Intelligent workshop!  ;D  I ordered them on 25 september...

Finally i'll pay the same price i accepted to pay before... so it's not so important.

And they'll be better than the others !! 

Vince.

 

[cliffp]

@Vince

I have to admit I was a bit disappointed at the tax/fees but it is a great product and if £65 had been the cheapest it could be bought, it would be worth it.

It would be good to hear your opinion of them Vince.  My first impression, apart from the hefty weight, was how much nicer stainless steel looks than aluminium.

 

[Davej]

Stainless dogs at half the price of the aluminium ones and shipping from the U.S , makes me wonder if someone just thought how much they could get away with rather than a fair price . Also nice to see Mr P getting something for his R & D .
Dave

 

[greg mann]

I received the 2 Parf dogs and two small dogs today. They were very nicely packed and are beautifully made (as one would expect from Lee Valley). I tried setting up a cut to see how square the guide rail was to the long edge of the workpiece and it was absolutely perfect! I checked the diameters and they were all 19.90mm. There was a bit of wobble in the dogs which I thought might be an issue with the Parf (ie taller) dogs particularly if thicker wood was being cut so I used the knobs on the clamping elements to tighten them down - this got rid of the wobble completely. I can't imagine there would be any significant error with these dogs as they are machined to such tight tolerances and therefore the pair responsible for alignment in each plane are perfectly matched (indeed all four are perfectly matched). I think the diameters are probably just right as they would be difficult to insert if they were any larger.

I don't recommend importing to the UK as it is too expensive. The dogs themselves are a bargain at 35 dollars (2 Parf, 2 normal) but reasonably quick postage to the UK (3 working days) is another 35 dollars (UPS) and duty and brokerage fees adds a massive £20.65 bringing the total cost in sterling to £65!

I have been in touch with Axminster to find out how much they will charge and they said £17.75 for a pair of Parf dogs and £13.20 for a pair of small dogs - both prices including VAT.  They have now placed their order and expect stock to be available within 6 weeks (this just based on past experience).

I think this represents a bargain.

That is excellent information - I asked Axminster yesterday and they did not know prices - I suspect I was not talking to the right person. Lee Valley did well to get yours to you so soon. I am waiting for mine to arrive and I will then make the new video.

Peter

So, Peter, how much is LeeValley charging you?  [poke]

 

[Rob Lee]

To the overseas guys....

It really pains me to see the duty/taxes you're getting hit with...pls order from APTC, Carbatec, and others!!

I'll make sure we ship to 'em quickly....so you don't have to wait long!

Cheers,

Rob
(Headed to WIA, to show our new Systainer Drilling kit.... Among other things.....)

 

[greg mann]

Stainless dogs at half the price of the aluminium ones and shipping from the U.S , makes me wonder if someone just thought how much they could get away with rather than a fair price . Also nice to see Mr P getting something for his R & D .
Dave

Whoa, Dave. There is a huge difference in production methods and volume between LeeValley's capabilities and anyone else. If someone wanted you to build them a car you would need to charge alot more than any carmaker just to buy the materials.

 

[Davej]

Stainless dogs at half the price of the aluminium ones and shipping from the U.S , makes me wonder if someone just thought how much they could get away with rather than a fair price . Also nice to see Mr P getting something for his R & D .
Dave

Whoa, Dave. There is a huge difference in production methods and volume between LeeValley's capabilities and anyone else. If someone wanted you to build them a car you would need to charge alot more than any carmaker just to buy the materials.

Totally agree but I seem to remember reading that they were made by a manufacturer with the capacity for mass production.(  I apologise if I am wrong )

Also some imported tools from the USA seem to be disproportionately more expensive by time they land over here . I.e woodpecker precision t square 600mm is £140 over here .

 

[Stone Message]

Stainless dogs at half the price of the aluminium ones and shipping from the U.S , makes me wonder if someone just thought how much they could get away with rather than a fair price . Also nice to see Mr P getting something for his R & D .
Dave

Whoa, Dave. There is a huge difference in production methods and volume between LeeValley's capabilities and anyone else. If someone wanted you to build them a car you would need to charge alot more than any carmaker just to buy the materials.

Totally agree but I seem to remember reading that they were made by a manufacturer with the capacity for mass production.(  I apologise if I am wrong )

Also some imported tools from the USA seem to be disproportionately more expensive by time they land over here . I.e woodpecker precision t square 600mm is £140 over here .

From what Cliff told us, the Axminster price is very competitive and far better than the IW price and beats paying customs charges.

Peter

 

[Slappy]

Sweet  !      [big grin]

 

[grbmds]

Got my Veritas Clamp Kit and Parf Dogs today. Didn't get to use them yet, but........ to Lee Valley - Great job! The Veritas and Parf Dogs fit in the table great! That much I did try. Plus, the packaging is great and the Parf Dogs fit in the box under the Low Profile Stops. All can be kept together.

It will be a pleasure to use them.