Phil demonstrating SawSop

[ChuckM]

Snip.
From what I understand, the Felder safety technology is quite different, and is re settable without damage. Apparently it will be used not only in table saws but, also mitre saws, band saws, and router tables etc.

PCS on the mitre saws and bandsaws? --  [thumbs up]

 

[Phil Beckley]

Has [member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] seen this yet? I know that he is very busy on the road at the moment.

[member=10147]jobsworth[/member] - just imagine what you could do with one of these machines....

In true Parf-Jobby style it would be "demo-mustard-eat" !

The value of a machine like this in terms of injury, potential loss of earnings or even loss of livelihood is priceless. I am going to send a link to the video to a plastic surgeon friend of mine who does a lot of woodworking accident repair jobs and is a great advocate of workshop safety.

Peter

Hi
Currently in south east Ireland but will catch as soon as time allows on the TKS 80
Rg
Phil

 

[Birdhunter]

“Is the blade bent? Or cracked? Or simply to hard to retrieve from the aluminum brake”

In my event, the saw blade was deeply embedded in the brake shoe. It looks like the blade is fused into the brake shoe metal.

 

[DeformedTree]

With the stress put into the blade and the fact they aren't designed for those kind of shock loads even if the blade looks right, don't use it.  The chance it comes apart when you go to use it again is very real.  You can't just look at it and know if it has experience any yielding, or other flaws.

I would just put the blade with saw stop module embedded in it up on the wall.  Every time it triggers, mount one up on the wall.  Like deer heads, but the animal is still in one piece.

 

[Birdhunter]

I made a clock out of my “accident” and it’s on my shop wall.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

I have a few incidents which usually involve an apprentice and one of the mitre saws.
The most recent involved our cordless 36 volt Makita  sliding compound mitre saw.
The intelligent apprentice had to do some bevel cuts on some fascia board, he forgot to  remove the sub fence, even though I put a warning sticker on the saw to remind users.

I heard a loud bang, and then some swearing, I asked if he was all ok? Yes he said but looks what’s happened.
The sub fence was cut and bent, and the blade had three teeth missing, and two loose teeth.
So then I did a bit of swearing and hand gestures. The blade was removed and thrown away, and the sub fence removed.
There is not a chance I would have continued using the blade, even if all the teeth were intact, so I’d certainly not consider using one from a SawStop strike.
Tbh the blades for the Makita are quite cheap but, even if they were expensive, I would not take the risk.

 

[Chinski]

[member=70342]Chinski[/member] He’s right, you restricted permissions to view the video outside youtube, so after hitting play I have to click the link to watch it on YouTube.  If you go back and review the permissions you should be able to get it to work correctly.

Fixed now - thanks.  Who knew??!!  I've never had to do this before, Youtub must have flipped a switch or something ...

 

[jeh]

It was mentioned that one of chaps does a demo, and actually puts his finger in the blade instead of the hot dog.

He either loves hot dogs, or fully stands by, and fully supports the product.
When you actually see the demo, it’s really amazing how quick the mechanism reacts, we’re talking milliseconds!

I think you are confusing the SawStop technology with the Felder. In the video I saw the tester did use his finger. I would not recommend using your finger to test a SawStop as you will get a cut, albeit minor, will occur. I would not gamble a finger for a test on any tool knowing that software is what ultimately controls the deployment. No software, or in this firmware, is failsafe.

No, no confusion, it is the SawStop technology. This was discussed in front of me very recently, and many have seen it in (forgive the pun) in the flesh.

From what I understand, the Felder safety technology is quite different, and is re settable without damage. Apparently it will be used not only in table saws but, also mitre saws, band saws, and router tables etc.
Bosch also have developed something apparently?

I have since seen the video (thanks to an earlier) and I am going to say it does count as he is the inventor. I will call it marketing though, but still quite stupid. I'd like to find someone who is not to try this.

Performing the test on a real, attached, finger is like:
Intentionally running your car into a wall to see if the airbags and seatbelt tensioners work.
Standing in a full bathtub and dropping a plugged fan into the water to test the GFCI.
Dropping a weight on your steel toe boot just to see if it meets or exceeds the manufacturers rating.

 

[Svar]

Performing the test on a real, attached, finger is like:
Intentionally running your car into a wall to see if the airbags and seatbelt tensioners work.
Standing in a full bathtub and dropping a plugged fan into the water to test the GFCI.
Dropping a weight on your steel toe boot just to see if it meets or exceeds the manufacturers rating.

None of that. If he was belly flopping on the blade than you comparison have merit.
He barely moved his finger to just brush the blade, palm firmly on the table. Had the mechanism failed he would have gotten a tiny scratch.

 

[ChuckM]

I have since seen the video (thanks to an earlier) and I am going to say it does count as he is the inventor. I will call it marketing though, but still quite stupid. I'd like to find someone who is not to try this.

Marketing? Yes, but I don't see anything wrong with the inventor doing a video as part of the promotion effort? He might also be doing that to, once and for all, prove his technology to the naysayers. When SawStop came out, I had come across many "claims" in various forums including someone getting seriously hurt because the safety feature did not work, only hot dogs were used because the manufacturer dared risk a human test, etc.

This guy did something similar...obviously for promotion (of his review/youtube) purposes, too:


Side note and true: My neighbor was test driving a Volvo XC90 a couple of years ago. The salesperson, sitting next to him, "encouraged" him to try out the Volvo City Safety system (Collision Avoidance Automatic Braking). He dared not, but there you have it.

 

[Jiggy Joiner]

I have since seen the video (thanks to an earlier) and I am going to say it does count as he is the inventor. I will call it marketing though, but still quite stupid. I'd like to find someone who is not to try this.

Performing the test on a real, attached, finger is like:
Intentionally running your car into a wall to see if the airbags and seatbelt tensioners work.
Standing in a full bathtub and dropping a plugged fan into the water to test the GFCI.
Dropping a weight on your steel toe boot just to see if it meets or exceeds the manufacturers rating.

You can call it whatever you like, and I agree maybe not a sensible thing to do, however, as I mentioned earlier, this guy is standing firmly behind his product. The hot dog test is more than adequate to demonstrate the feature. There will always be some that say, and I heard these comments very recently. “If it really does work, why don’t these people use their actual finger or hand?”
Well here is somebody who has done just that, to kill off myths and rumours.
I have heard also, (and no I’m not confused) that somebody else also demos SawStop with their finger.
I imagine after you have done it enough times, it becomes slightly less fearful?
I think eventually many machines will see this sort of safety built in.

 

[jeh]

I have since seen the video (thanks to an earlier) and I am going to say it does count as he is the inventor. I will call it marketing though, but still quite stupid. I'd like to find someone who is not to try this.

Performing the test on a real, attached, finger is like:
Intentionally running your car into a wall to see if the airbags and seatbelt tensioners work.
Standing in a full bathtub and dropping a plugged fan into the water to test the GFCI.
Dropping a weight on your steel toe boot just to see if it meets or exceeds the manufacturers rating.

You can call it whatever you like, and I agree maybe not a sensible thing to do, however, as I mentioned earlier, this guy is standing firmly behind his product. The hot dog test is more than adequate to demonstrate the feature. There will always be some that say, and I heard these comments very recently. “If it really does work, why don’t these people use their actual finger or hand?”
Well here is somebody who has done just that, to kill off myths and rumours.
I have heard also, (and no I’m not confused) that somebody else also demos SawStop with their finger.
I imagine after you have done it enough times, it becomes slightly less fearful?
I think eventually many machines will see this sort of safety built in.

I'm not questioning the quality or design of the product as I have on and have benefitted from the technology once. I only had a nick, but there is no chance I'd slide my finger into the blade just to see if it works. And for the naysayers who don't think you need this if you know what you are doing I went from 1990 to 2017 without a failure. The last 7 of those years were with a SawStop.

 

[Phil Beckley]

Hi
The TKS 80 is due to be launched late 2020 - link to my Instagram herehttps://www.instagram.com/p/BzOAmsNgMZE/?hl=en

I took it on the Festool roadshow the past three weeks and the feedback has been great and well received.
  The blade and cartridges would need to be replaced if it ‘fires’.....the cost is nothing compared to a injury and after all it’s our fingers that earn the money and allow us to enjoy our trades
  Remember it is a prototype and am sure some areas will change on the machine.
After more than 50 demonstrations and 50 blades and cartridges each time I ‘fired’ one it reminded me of how quick an accident can happen......
Rg
Phil

 

[sancho57]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member]

will they be making a 110V version?

 

[Phil Beckley]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member]

will they be making a 110V version?

Hey Jobby
Hope all is well and life is treating you well....

I hope so but currently nothing has been nailed as to the scope of delivery
Rg
Phil

 

[sancho57]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member]

Yeah everything is going well here. Say you ever going to make it stateside to one of those festool trainer things, lemme know. Im close to the Vegas facility.
We can hook up.
It would be good seeing ya again

 

[Phil Beckley]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member]

Yeah everything is going well here. Say you ever going to make it stateside to one of those festool trainer things, lemme know. Im close to the Vegas facility.
We can hook up.
It would be good seeing ya again

....would love to come over but need an invite first
If it ever happens will let you know
Rg
Phil

 

[sancho57]

Hmmmm,

Ill get on Steves case the next time I go to LV or Maybe Greg when I take my next class from him.