Portable edgebander

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I am hoping that someone here has experience of using a portable edgebander with a hot glue pot, I want to use it for fitting 3mm abs edging and I am limited by cash and available space. I would like to know if they are as easy to use as it looks and if they are reliable easy to look after etc.

Thanks S
 
Not sure what you mean exactly by "limited cash", but I've seen the Felder Forka portable edgebander in action. Haven't used it myself but it looked pretty easy to use. I could have sworn that it was in the $2-3k range, but the website shows retail price closer to $4k.

Felder Forka Edgebander

 
I have not tried yet the felder forka. It sure looks like a good machine, but I dont think it is really meant to be a portable edgebander. I think it is more a specialty tool. The kind of tool you buy when you need features a good enough floor standing edgebander dont have.

Jerome
 
the Felder is the same as the Virutex  and about 4 other brand names through out the world. they are all made in China at a single Factory  and they are from all accounts a Good machine,  they are a Truely portable hot melt edge bander.

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this one is $2800 with the table

There is a gentleman on the fog who has one he it on the east side of the Atlantic

Craig

 
Thank you for your replies.
I have a hot melt bander like the first post and they are OK but they wont fit 3mm abs and I think this is the way forward for me.
I can buy one of the Virutex clones for 1650GBP new, the nearest full size bander is about 6000GBP second hand. The biggest advantage with the portable though is that it doesn't take too much space and can be moved around. Also it is a much simpler machine so it should be easy to live with, hopefully.
 
Hi there,

For my suggestion, you within your budget you can definitely go for the Le-matic  AR 500 portable edgebander by Co-Matic Machinery that I just bought last month. It can do thickness up to 3mm.  edge curve to 24mm, and band width up to 60 mm. Not just the Edge banders, I really like how they design there accessories and the casing too, very nicely designed and the reason why i bought it ,  it's as  far the best in the market after I compared with the others. 

www.co-matic.com or www.le-matic.com
 
I've been using edge banding more and more.  The Le-matic system seems like a good idea but I'm going to need a good job to justify the cash.  Are these systems typically in the $3k range?
 
I own the Felder Forka and have mixed feelings about it to say the least. Although I've tweaked it as best as I can I still find it an awkward little thing, everything has to be just right for it to work with good results, never excellent. If I had the choice I wouldn't have bought it again. To glue the edge banding on is one thing, finishing it with routers and such is just way too messy a job for my taste. As a pro cabinet maker I have to say I only use my Forka for the odd round shape every now and again, 99% of my edge banding I do at a colleague's workshop. He has a time counter on his huge automated machine, I pay by the minute and could not be happier with this. You put the panel in on one end, it glues and finishes one side and out it comes on the other. Repeat four times and you have yourself a door, a complete kitchen, meaning cabinets and doors takes less than an hour with better results and including setting up the machine. The math makes the choice for you.

My advise, think twice before you get one. It's way too much money for what it is considering you could probably use someone's pro machine with far better results.

Cheers, Bob.
 
Bob Gerritsen said:
I own the Felder Forka and have mixed feelings about it to say the least. Although I've tweaked it as best as I can I still find it an awkward little thing, everything has to be just right for it to work with good results, never excellent. If I had the choice I wouldn't have bought it again. To glue the edge banding on is one thing, finishing it with routers and such is just way too messy a job for my taste. As a pro cabinet maker I have to say I only use my Forka for the odd round shape every now and again, 99% of my edge banding I do at a colleague's workshop. He has a time counter on his huge automated machine, I pay by the minute and could not be happier with this. You put the panel in on one end, it glues and finishes one side and out it comes on the other. Repeat four times and you have yourself a door, a complete kitchen, meaning cabinets and doors takes less than an hour with better results and including setting up the machine. The math makes the choice for you.

My advise, think twice before you get one. It's way too much money for what it is considering you could probably use someone's pro machine with far better results.

Cheers, Bob.

Bob - Thank you for the first hand feedback on these machines as I have been tempted on several occasions to purchase either the Felder or Adamik version of these edgebanders.  I always pulled up before purchase as I wasn't sure how good they were and the specific use was for such a small job it wasn't cost justified.  I thought about purchasing one when I did my kitchen but will take your advice and find a shop that has a real edgebander.
Steve
 
I'm surprised the Felder would be so disappointing.....Considering the caliber of products they produce.  The Virutex has been the one on my list.

http://virutex.com/gluepotedgebanderportableandstationary-modelpeb250-trc-withtempandspeedcontrol.aspx

Personally I dont like the idea of loading and un-loading all the parts at someone else's shop.  Then theres the added risk of a damaged part which will require another round of trips.  Like everything theres a positive and negative so I ill have to do my research before buying.
 
Jalvis said:
I'm surprised the Felder would be so disappointing.....Considering the caliber of products they produce.  The Virutex has been the one on my list.

http://virutex.com/gluepotedgebanderportableandstationary-modelpeb250-trc-withtempandspeedcontrol.aspx

Personally I dont like the idea of loading and un-loading all the parts at someone else's shop.  Then theres the added risk of a damaged part which will require another round of trips.  Like everything theres a positive and negative so I ill have to do my research before buying.
Felder doesn't actually manufacture the Forka edgebander.  They just have their name put on it.
 
Just a quick nuance on what I said regarding the Forka, in general I feel that type of machine (regardless of the brand) doesn't make much sense to me, so I'm not saying it has to do with Felder. It isn't cheap (so I take it it is aimed at pros), it only does part of the job as you still have to trim the edges which makes it a four phase operation if you want all four sides banded (glue,trim,glue,trim, you need loads of space for stacking and the whole process takes quite a while and is messy) and finally it isn't the easiest of machines to use, both in handling and adjustments. Plus the quality of the work isn't comparable to a big machine. In short it doesn't in any way compare to using someone else his big machine. Only thing that makes it justifiable in my view is round shapes.

With regards to the handling of the panels, transporting to and from someone's workshop and the risk of damage, mind you, the big machines first trim the panels side by the thickness of the banding. If you use 2mm banding, you cut the panel to the size it has to be when finished, you run that panel through the machine and end up with the exact same measures only with the edge banding. Meaning you have two mm of play for sides that will be edge banded, meaning there is minimal risk. As soon as the strips are on, it's a different story all together, the panel is pretty sturdy now.
The Forka in comparison, I need to perfectly cut a panel on the size I want minus the thickness of the edge banding. The slightest damage will be visible so you have to be really careful when stacking, moving and handling. In my experience, damage is less of an issue with using someone's big machine.

In short, if you have more than just a couple panels to do each year or even want to do this for a living I don't see how the portable unit can work. And believe me, I have tried as it took me a while to admit it was a waste of money. ;) If you only have the occasional panel to do I don't see how one can justify the price as it isn't cheap.

By the way, the word tends to be that Felder machines are A+ but that isn't my experience. With the risk of being put aside as a negative nagger, my Hammers (A3-31 and N4400) both needed quite serious work setting up (I did not see a difference with 'Chinese' machines, especially with regards to the N4400, spent many many hours on that), my Felder dust collector had leaks and a good friend of mine spent major cash on a couple of serious Felders and he had BigBig problems. They eventually settled the whole thing as they were unable to fix everything. We're talking months and months of emails and phone calls and one extremely frustrated customer.
Come to think of it, my neighbor broke a big casted piece on his stationary Felder shaper by tightening a bolt by hand... Of course these could just be incidents but knowing the specifics I'm thinking Felder isn't the end all brand they tend to get credit for. I'm thinking that might have more to do with their sleek and clean looks that give a certain impression and the made in Austria label. I for one would not compare them to Festool, they might have goofed up on occasion but all in all there isn't anything to compare Festool with with regards to design and quality. Let me just say Felder has disappointed me and the only other owners I know have had minor or major issues. For my next machine I will start to look elsewhere which might mean upping the budget but so be it.

Of course this is just me saying this, please research, use your eyes and form your own opinion but trust me I'm not saying things like this lightly.

Cheers, Bob.
 
As with all tools there are many sides to all users and machines. I have the Virutex version with the table mount accessory and find it to be extremely useful. While its a one trick pony by only applying the edge, with the table it works quite well IMHO. The edgeband trimming is done easily with the MFK700. The main reasons I like the machine are size, portability and the ability to use short pieces of edgebanding up to an 1/8" thick. Wood edgebanding comes with many splices/joins in the roll that occur in varying intervals. For some projects these splices can be used, for most of the work I do they are undesirable. This unit makes it very easy to apply these short pieces of edge.

To comment on the Felder comments, I have owned 7 pieces of Felder made equipment including the Hammer A3-31. The Hammer (2008) came to my shop factory set and never needed an adjustment. I have the big Brother to The N4400, the FB600 which came setup from the factory and would cut OK but needed tweeking for fine sawing. I think after traveling across an Ocean in a container the little bit of tweaking I've had to do on my machines is quite acceptable. Personally I have not met any professional that hasn't had to tweak their machine to get them where they want them. Sorry but in no way can I compare Felder to the Chinese products.  To me Felder and Festool are on exactly the same page with high quality and useful accessories but also have to deal with a few bumps in the road.

John
 
John, you are right in that the portable unit will give good results with wooden edge banding, say with birch plywood for instance. But with melamine, which is what I use it for and what I think the OP needs it for as he mentioned ABS banding, it is close to useless as I cannot cut all parts needed for a kitchen with perfect edges. I need the machine to clean the edge before it glues the ABS on otherwise it wouldn't look clean. And apart from that, I think I would need at least 6 hours maybe even a full day and lot's of free space to make piles to comfortably finish all the parts for a kitchen with a mobile unit and a trim router where the big machine does that in an hour tops. Of course it is always a matter of what's available and what your situation is, as for me it is less then a ten minute drive to the big machine and I have big piles of panels to do every couple weeks, for me it is a no brainer.

As for the Felders, apologies as it is off topic but just another couple words.
The N4400 could not have been setup worse when it arrived and it only had to travel from Austria to Switzerland. ;) Every part that needed to guide the saw wasn't as it should have been setup and I've replaced at least one bolt as I broke that when setting up (I was gentle), some other parts even needed a touch of filing. The dust collector had several dents, apparently it got bumped a bit before it got sprayed and it had leaks which I fixed with silicone I think. The A3-31 is ok, although when thicknessing it does perform better in the middle and on the left, the right side lacks some pressure it seems. For me thicknessing doesn't need to be finish quality so it works for me.
My friend, he bought his stuff in the exact same period only in Holland, got a Felder thicknesser/planer that had serious (measurable) dips in the outfeed table plus the infeed and outfeed table would not get in the same plane. Problems that make it impossible to flatten wood right? His big Felder table saw (700 I think) had a sliding table that was impossible to cut square on, seriously. Those were the two biggest issues from the top of my head, there were other things, he had to stop working at one point in the middle of a big job as it was simply impossible. He had several visits by different service guys, the first one was sort of useless even more so as he wasn't allowed to work too long on this, the second one who was ok eventually admitted it would be impossible to fix everything completely but they did get it on an ok level, he's on first name basis with the guy now. Eventually it became clear with the pricing Felder uses there isn't much room for after sales, this might well be different in the US.
As I figured it would take longer to get them to come and do a proper setup plus I want to know my machines I did everything myself so I don't know how after sales is over here. I did mention all of my problems ones to the guy that sold me the machines but it seemed he didn't know what to do with it and certainly didn't apologies or anything. I don't know, I'm not one to nag but I'm not making this stuff up, it happened alright and a list this long isn't incidental. I know three Felder users (myself included) and all three have had issues. Who knows, maybe things have changed in Austria, maybe this is simply a matter of chance. I don't know except that I was very excited to order after having checked the machine on a fair but will look elsewhere for my next purchase. I still like the way the Felder/Hammer machines are designed, I just feel they are cutting too many corners at the moment, maybe this was different before.

Alright, enough already... ;) B.
 
I've come pretty close to buying the hot glue edge bander under discussion ( virutex/adamik/felder) which is why I'm following the thread. I am a one man shop and couldn't possibly justify a serious machine and driving to get stuff banded elsewhere is not really practical. I currently have the Virutex hot air machine shown at the start of the thread. In spite of the negative comments I'm still interested in the portable hot glue machine ( fixed in a table) I wish I could try one somewhere first tho.

But the reason for my post is that I am also a Felder owner. I paid to have my first two machines setup by technicians from the factory and have never had to tweak them since. A more recent machine came damaged in transport and the factory sent new parts straight away. When they called to arrange a time for their engineer to install them I was embarassed as I had already done it myself. No company is perfect and I have had a run in with Festool too, but both companies made good in the end. I would have no hesitation in recommending either. They both have a FOG, both of which are as valuable to me as their excellent customer service. Sorry to hear you have not been as pleased. If youare looking to move up from Felder, there are companies like Martin, but they are out of my price range. The Kapex is not perfect, many here think its expensive, but its cheap compared to something like an OMGA.
 
Richard, glad to hear you're happy with the Felders, really.

As for the edge bander, consider one thing before purchasing. My Felder can only take one type of glue with the suppliers that I have access to over here. This has to do with the temperature the machine can handle and unfortunately that glue is rather yellowish. As the visible line of glue is a bit thicker usually than with the real big machines, this leaves you with a quite visible line when using white melamine for instance. I know clients that wouldn't accept that, I find it cheap looking myself actually. After purchasing the machine this 'problem' became clear to me and upon quick research it turned out there were other brands available at the time that ran hotter and could have handled a whiter glue I would have preferred. If melamine is not your cup of tea and you will only use it for actual wood based sheets this might not be much of a problem as actual white wood doesn't exist right? It might even be they've improved the Forka by now, don't know that. Anyway, something to consider. I would def advise you to try before you buy, it sounds as though Felder has good service in your area, maybe they'll allow you a demo.

Btw, why would you want a hot glue machine if you have the Virutex hot air machine? Most if not all edge banding is available pre glued also, right? Or you're limited to 0,8 mm now?
 
This thread is a bit old already but just today I had to glue on a piece of pvc 2mm with the Forka. I couldn't leave the shop to go to my colleague as I'm expecting a delivery but had to have this piece so it was an emergency of sorts. Anyway, did my utmost best to get a nice clean cut, even gave it a couple of passes with some sanding paper so it was as good as it could be. Then using the Forka I glued the PVC on and there again, I gave it my best. First pass was rejected, some adjustments and the second pass was as good as I can get it with the unit. I took a pic to compare it to a banding done by the big machine, you be the judge.

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All I can say is, I don't like the result. As for my clients, there will be those that won't even notice and those that do. In any case, I still believe edge banding is something I for one can only properly do with a big unit. But maybe I'm just being very picky. ;) The results are way more acceptable with Birch plywood and birch edge banding as there the wood color matches the glue color.

Again, I don't mean to be negative on Felder, I think this is more a principle of the mechanics of this type of machine/operation. The Forka is probably as good as that type of unit can be.

For what it's worth, hope this picture helps anyone.

It would be great to see some more results from the other machines out there such as the Virutex.

Cheers, Bob.
 
The Virutex and Forka are the same machine, I believe the Adamant unit is made by another manufacturer. the proper coloured glue has a lot to do with how prominent the joint becomes. The unfortunate thing is they don't make a stationary machine for doing curved edges and that's the void these units fill.

John
 
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