Potentially buying a sailboat on Monday....

[member=44099]Cheese[/member]
Cheeseman, i did not mean to denigrate your experience on the water--I hope it did not come across that way.  What your stories indicate to me is that you're a sane and reasonable sportsman who is not foolish enough, like some of us, to risk life and limb to get caught in the middle of one of the Great Lakes chasing after some worthless tin cup that you have to give back the next year...

By sheer happenstance, a buddy of mine forwarded me this link yesterday for anyone who's also interested in Great Lakes lore:
 
I love the stories of storms on the high seas and lakes.  But I love good old terra firma even more.
Tinker
 
[member=2205]teocaf[/member]
I had no problem at all with your post. Experiences are only relative to the individual receiving the experience and everyone has an opinion, many times I have several. [eek] There are no right or wrong opinions as long as they are honestly held ones and don't have some other hidden agenda attached to them.

To be honest, I am a very poor swimmer and to swim for 100 yards would certainly tax my capabilities whether it was a life or death situation or not. So sailing for me was a large obstacle to overcome, be it on Superior or in the BVI.

Upon reflecting on my Superior adventures, the type of sailing is different because you sail from port to port rather than from island to island as in the BVI. Thus, at any given time you're closer to a large land mass when sailing on Superior as opposed to the BVI where you are literally in the middle of the ocean when you're between islands. I think that is the reason that the squalls I've experienced on Superior are less terrifying than the squalls in the BVI.

However, as you noted, Superior was able to put to rest the 728' ore boat SS Edmund Fitzgerald, so a 40' Morgan wouldn't be much of a challenge for her.

I'm with Tinker though...I like terra firma best.
 
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.

It was a fun evening, I got to run some of the sails and learned a little bit about the boats.

I avoided boats for 25 years after my first time on a boat at the age of 18-------it was a thrilling experience.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.
Tom
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Well Tom, ignorance is bliss and that's the way it should be...if we were aware of all of the problems that we could encounter when we raised our hands in class, there'd be a lot fewer hands raised and that would diminish the experience or the continual search for the experience...that's ultimately a dead end.

Sailing on gentle seas, with good friends and some nice wine is a godsend and an experience that I will continue to pursue until my Kapex spits sparks through it's ventilation slots and at which time I'll order...another bottle of wine or the local rum if I happen to be in the BVI.

 
Cheese said:
tjbnwi said:
Maybe I should have been a little more concerned than I was about the weather, we did spend most of the evening listed. Glad I didn't know any better.
Tom
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Well Tom, ignorance is bliss and that's the way it should be...if we were aware of all of the problems that we could encounter when we raised our hands in class, there'd be a lot fewer hands raised and that would diminish the experience or the continual search for the experience...that's ultimately a dead end.
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I'm a "throw caution" to the wind type of guy, if it breaks oh well fix it. Our daughter in law worries about the 2 year old grandson around me, she knows I'm not kidding when I say to Owen (the grand miscreant)-"I've got power tools lets go make something."

Tom
 
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]

 
Cheese said:
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]
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I told my kids, "there's the tools, if you cut a finger off we'll discuss what went wrong, hopefully you won't do it again".

Our son at the age of 9 took apart our new Packard Bell computer. Good thing he could put it back together, I had no clue how to. Lead him on the path to his current career. For the longest time he had no interest in doing any "home" work on his own, he's now looking forward to doing some things to his new home.

Our daughters are very good at doing things on their homes, they had to learn to use tools also.

Tom
 
tjbnwi said:
Cheese said:
Tom, that's cool, you're preparing the next generation for the world that will unfold around them. The torch has been passed and that's what's important.

My grandfather was an accountant and thus, it's obvious he wasn't a person that used or even endorsed using tools, however when I was maybe 9 or 10 years old, he gave me a Handy Andy tool set that started me on the path to house destruction and renewal and the bug has been with me for the last ???? years. The only item he removed from the tool chest was a chisel.

Now, here's the old FOGey part of me coming out, in our current politically correct society, in today's terms, the only item my grandfather would be allowed to turn over to me would be an EMPTY tool chest because all of the other items would be considered dangereous.  [sad] [crying] [sad] [crying] [mad]
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I told my kids, "there's the tools, if you cut a finger off we'll discuss what went wrong, hopefully you won't do it again".

Our son at the age of 9 took apart our new Packard Bell computer. Good thing he could put it back together, I had no clue how to. Lead him on the path to his current career. For the longest time he had no interest in doing any "home" work on his own, he's now looking forward to doing some things to his new home.

Our daughters are very good at doing things on their homes, they had to learn to use tools also.

Tom
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As I have mentioned in previous threads, I heartily approve on kids learning how to use tools at very young ages. I approve of both replies above.  Our own son grew up on my backhoes >>> almost as soon as he could walk.  Our daughter was just as interested in my work as my son, but in different ways.  Son's excavating business is thriving and now includes over a dozen employees.  Daughter is in real estate and does her own staging.  She has received several awards.  I never chased either one from any of my jobs, but I did teach.  There were strict rules that had to be followed, but they were always told the why of any rule.  Our grandson has been around tools and machinery since very early and i have seen first hand that some of what i taught my son has been passed down the line.  Maybe if more kids were taught, and experienced, the safe uses of tools and machines, there would be less delinquency. 
Tinker
 
The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?
 
Slartibartfass said:
The boat is mine.... Yeah...! Call me Captain...! Long Island Sound here I come...

Now for the new name....?
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Congrats on the new boat!  Suggestions for the name:

Draining my Wallet
Sinking bank account
She's expensive
Can you loan me some money
Road to broke
For sale
 
Malte,
I cast my vote for "Heinrich der Loewe". In the correct font naturliche. [big grin]
 
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