prototypes

[L2theP]

call your festool rep, and i don't mean your local supplier, i mean the festool representative for your area and ask if anyone is up from Germany showing off a couple prototypes, don't take my word for it, see yourself. In the mean time i'm goint to try to see if my rep will be kind enough to snap a few for me and email them.

Roger got the same visit a week and a half ago in Malibu
but I got the impression he was supposed to keep mum about it.....

During my visit it was quite important for the festool designer from Germany to get feedback on the acceptance of the impact driver and what possible uses and how people react to the mega sized domino + it's capabilities.
I'm extending his visit by opening this thread in order to see how many people would be interested in such tools, what kind of initial response people have towards these new tools etc....  
They aren't in the top secret weapon business so i don't think that my thread is doing anything other then helping festool see feedback on these items which is the main reason why they sent a German engineer out here to see what we likes and what we dislikes.
the engineer stated that the impact is only coming out in the USA as there is no market for it in Europe, i'm pretty sure that every festool user in the states is going to be all over that impact driver.
That's the least i can do after getting that cool domino keychain (part# 058 183).

Secondly the mega domino joiner, all features of the initial domino joiner except it bores dominos up to 14mm and they are like 5" long, you can join 3 pieces of 2x2 stock with a single domino, these things were massive along with the bits.  The machine still fit in a systeiner 2 but it was so cool it bore about 3" deep into the stock. the rep said that the mega domino will go for 900$ and the entire set with the starter kit and dominos will go for 1500$  [snip] These are all prototypes and were said to be out on the us market within the next year and a half.

Cool!  I can see it now...bridle joints and through-tenons in all my new furniture.  At this very moment I'm trying to figure out how many convenience stores I'll have to rob to come up with $1500 for this thing, and hoping Rick Christopherson is working on a large version of his adjustable centering accessory.

Regards,

John

Keep in mind that this domino is not going to be compatible with the old tenons, this thing looks like one of those portable car dirt devil vacuum cleaners, it's humongo!! i mean the dominos were huge, so this is just going to be a big brother to the current domino.

 

[Tezzer]

sounds great, Im hanging out big time ;D ;D ;D

 

[JeromeM]

The rep also gave me a cool storage box in the shape of a domino made of wood along with a cool domino keychain

Won't  really have happend till you  have some pics of the storage box and domino keychain  [eek] [poke]

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

If the impact driver is quiet maybe I would consider it.
I honestly can't remember the last time I used my impact
driver. They are also hard to do any sort of fine precision
work.

 

[L2theP]

Well, that's that for my old Domino.  Hopelessly outclassed.  Even if the stroke is the same you'll get significantly wider mortises simply because the bit is 2" longer.  Well, I can't afford to be without it and I can't afford another and the value of this one will now start to decrease to zero within a few months of the release of the new one so I won't be able to get anything for it.  I suppose I'll just wait until the patents expire and get the Harbor Freight Mortiser for $139 plus $20 for the two year replacement warranty.

LoL!!!! Harbor freight!!! LOL,  my buddy's favorite store! actually he bought a pin nailer in there for 15$ he had it for a year and still good.  Hehe, anyway don't worry about your domino's value decreasing, this isn't going to replace the current domino, it will just be an additional tool in the line up, you will not be able to make any mortises smaller then 8mm with the new one and the depth of the mortise is going to be substantially longer. What's great is you will be able to make thru and regular mortise and tenon joints without having to brake out the heavy machinery. No more wobbly railings and posts, you'll be able to get some true stability with a nice 5" or 6" domino.  Endless possibilities.

 

[L2theP]

If the impact driver is quiet maybe I would consider it.
I honestly can't remember the last time I used my impact
driver. They are also hard to do any sort of fine precision
work.

Well good sir, this is where this impact shines with the adapter in place the impact function is turned off and you got your self a t15-3 in less then 3 seconds with a built in light and a belt clip.

 

[L2theP]

The rep also gave me a cool storage box in the shape of a domino made of wood along with a cool domino keychain

Won't  really have happend till you  have some pics of the storage box and domino keychain  [eek] [poke]

that does it, i'm going to the car to get that storage box and keychain, i'll have pics up within the hour. ;D

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

If the impact driver is quiet maybe I would consider it.
I honestly can't remember the last time I used my impact
driver. They are also hard to do any sort of fine precision
work.

Well good sir, this is where this impact shines with the adapter in place the impact function is turned off and you got your self a t15-3 in less then 3 seconds with a built in light and a belt clip.

sounds like parts that would break or be a pain to fiddle with.

 

[L2theP]

The rep also gave me a cool storage box in the shape of a domino made of wood along with a cool domino keychain

Won't  really have happend till you  have some pics of the storage box and domino keychain  [eek] [poke]

here... [eek]

 

[PaulMarcel]

Well the Domizilla has my attention; absolutely.  The impact driver less so because the C12 has been everything I want in a driver; I use few lag screws.

I have no Kapex so the fold-down roll away is less tempting, but depending on the configuration and if I could make good use of it with my Makita SCMC, I might go for it until I drink too much wine while surfing FestoolJunkie.com and hit buy on the Kapex.

But the Domizilla, definitely.  Wonder if Peter can make a label for it yet...  

 

[PaulMarcel]

One last thought... about the domizilla... metal pins or plastic flipstops?!  "pins first"

 

[JeromeM]

Won't  really have happend till you  have some pics of the storage box and domino keychain  [eek] [poke]

here... [eek]
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[not worthy] [thumbs up] [drooling] It did happen then.  [drooling]

 

[stvrowe]

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Well, it's not like I don't know how to write a review,
but the folks over at "Control",
haven't lifted the "Cone of Silence",
for those that might have seen any UTO's on the West Coast.
;D

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Lets not let Chaos take over ;D

 

[L2theP]

One last thought... about the domizilla... metal pins or plastic flipstops?!  "pins first"

they are actually plastic flipstops, but there is 6 of them vs 2 on the current model and once retracted they stay hidden until you release them with a button on the side of the fence, pretty cool stuff.
Guys keep in mind that what i saw and a few others had a pleasure too isn't the final configuration that's going into production, hence this post, they are still in the process of asking peoples preferences and who prefers what and why. so if you have any input please do comment so that they know what we would prefer.

 

[honeydoman]

THAT IS FANTASTIC.  HAVING A  impact driver from festool will complete my drill package set up......  t15+3 is greart but adding an impact to the deal will be awesome !  nothing compares to an impact driver for what it can do... it when it first came out really revolunizied screwing !  well maybe I did that years ago !  lol

 

[John Stevens]

Keep in mind that this domino is not going to be compatible with the old tenons, this thing looks like one of those portable car dirt devil vacuum cleaners, it's humongo!! i mean the dominos were huge, so this is just going to be a big brother to the current domino.

Yeah, I hope so!  You say the big brother will be able to bore holes "up to" 14mm.  Great.  Who'd want a through-tenon less than 14mm thick in a table leg?  It'd look flimsy and silly. 

I'm guessing that if the largest diameter bit will be 14mm, then the next size down will be 12mm.  Using the rule of thumb that the tenon should be about 1/3 the thickness of the stock being joined, the 14mm tenons would be suited for stock 40-45mm thick (nominal 8/4 material after final surfacing) and the 12mm tenons would be suited for stock 32-40mm thick (either side of "true" 6/4 material).  The 12mm tenons would also be suited for making bridle joints in stock as thin as 32mm--only 1 1/4"--a pretty common dimension for furniture.

By the way, this is the time to renew the call for Festool to work with Soss to set up the big brother Domi to bore holes fitted for Soss hinges!

Regards,

John

 

[Michael Kellough]

I don't understand the need for secrecy either...

Nice analysis of the probable range of thicknesses and applications John!

Compatible Soss hinges is still a great idea.

 

[Christian93117]

In the interest of developing tools that are relevant to all markets around the world, Festool does conduct field trials of different concepts and prototypes.  
These tests allow us to determine the viability of ideas and solutions to practical issues.  

We normally ask the test customers who see prototypes not to write about it on the Internet. Why? The projects are still in the prototype phase and it isn't even
clear if they will ever become real products. And even if we decide to build them one day, we are still at least 2 years away from a market introduction.

In this case it seems we weren't clear enough about not posting on the Internet.

At this point it doesn't make sense to speculate about what is coming or get excited about it, because the product might not even come or might look
completely different. Knowing that information like this might show up on the Internet, we also don't reveal everything at those customer interviews.

Christian

 

[woodguy7]

Well, thats you told L2theP  [crying]

 

[L2theP]

In the interest of developing tools that are relevant to all markets around the world, Festool does conduct field trials of different concepts and prototypes.  
These tests allow us to determine the viability of ideas and solutions to practical issues.  

We normally ask the test customers who see prototypes not to write about it on the Internet. Why? The projects are still in the prototype phase and it isn't even
clear if they will ever become real products. And even if we decide to build them one day, we are still at least 2 years away from a market introduction.

In this case it seems we weren't clear enough about not posting on the Internet.

At this point it doesn't make sense to speculate about what is coming or get excited about it, because the product might not even come or might look
completely different. Knowing that information like this might show up on the Internet, we also don't reveal everything at those customer interviews.

Christian

I do appologize for the terrible deed I have done by posting this thread, I have completely misunderstood the meaning behind what the rep and the designer has said to me, it was a terrible mistake on my part and feel horrible about this, I my self was so excited about the new tools, it was like finding out that my wife was pregnant, for a second there I was scared that I'm running out of things to buy from festool and wham these two beauties poped up and I got my panties in a bunch. No one at festool to blame for this, they were just trying to extend a hand and in a way I have spit in it by posting this thread. Once again I greatly appologize for any inconvenience I have caused to anyone and I hope that I can be forgiven for my brain fart.