PS 300EQ Jigsaw. Is it still a good unit ?

LJD

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HI...

I do own a few festool products , but i am not a full time 'addict" yet ! (well other than their carry tubs for stuff`)

I want to buy a better jigsaw. I learnt to buy better "P" type blades last year for my Good Bosch that has served me well .But i have been working with some top notch Flooring guys who seem to have all the best tools you can buy.Yet...they still recon the PS300 EQ cannot be beat ?

I have a budget of £220.00 which can buy a new unit here in the UK .or £120 second hand via ebay etc  or private sales etc .

IS there a better unit i should think of ? Its general use . Just hate cheap made tools and prefer to think of them as "Investments "

thanks

LJD
 
Holmz said:
Start with the p1cchttp://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tool-reviews/mafell-p1cc-jigsaw/60/

I am not drawn to battery powered saws, but if I was breakdancing on the floor I can see that it could be "a requirement".

What makes their saw better than your old unit? do their cuts come out better?

That looks interesting ! Going to cost me a lot more even S/H here in the UK .And probably harder to find.

MY Bosch cuts ok.... just find it hard to see the front of the blade.I do not use mine "upside" down as some guys do .They say it cuts better and easier to scroll along a pencil line etc . My Bosch has reached  a  age, where i could possibly get almost  90% of my cost back.I got lucky buying it Second hand and its really clean. So i will lose almost nothing. Just fancy "moving up the chain" !
 
I have the PS300EQ and while I like it and don't reckon I'll "move on up the chain" anytime soon I have to say that I find it somewhat difficult to see the front of the blade wit the dust shroud installed. Most times its acceptable to just follow the pointer on the plastic throat-plate-thingie but for stopped cuts you need to know where the blade is along the line; not just that you're following a line.

Other than that I like it and of course removing the shroud nullifies the problem. It cuts straight, even on thick wood. Dust collection is good. I like the balance and size. But i hate having to bend over so far to see the blade when I need to.
 
I'd suggest going to a dealer and giving it a tryout.  I'm not sure you're going to be able to see the cut line any better on the 300 than your bosch, or a metabo or a makita. 

And it's not really superior in construction to those makes either.  You may prefer the ergonomics and/or other features to one of those though.  But, that's different than a investment tool.  Certainly the Festool is likely to garner a higher resale value than the other makes , but that's more in part to the mystique and inflation than it is to the actual wiring, bearings, switche3s and castings.

Gotta drive it to see and buy what you will like using the most - not the prettiest, or coolest, or the most prestigious. 
 
In my opinion, the short answer is "no".  In fact, the Trion is the worst jigsaw I've owned in the past 40 years.  I've had mine for about 13 years now.  My objections to it are the ridiculously slow blade change/adjustment protocols, endemic inaccuracy, limited (real world) capacity compared to others and inordinately short blade life.

In deference to others on this website, some think the sun shines out of it's derriere!  Just because I hate mine, it doesn't necessarily follow that another shall.  Some seem all too willing to overlook, or haven't found it's (to me glaringly obvious) shortcomings.

There are however some excellent alternatives available.  Some will be superior in certain aspects only, and perhaps a little wanting in others.  It depends on your own personal needs & expectations, and your intended use.

Makita's 4351FCT is in budget, has similar power but greater capacity, both grip styles, LED lights, a blower & a semi-systainer available.  It's also (I believe) a patriotic choice in being UK-made.  GBP 126 @ FFX

Bosch GST160 has both grips, (almost) the most power & capacity (equal to Hitachi & slightly less than Mafell), switchable blower, lights, easy tilt the lightest weight & a Sortimo system case.  GBP 230 everywhere.

Hitachi has, in common to Bosch, Metabo, Festo & Mafell a 3 year warranty, the most weight (along with Mafell & Metabo), huge capacity, easy tilt, blower, lights & a systainer available.  GBP 150 @ FFX

Mafell has no lights, needs an accessory tilt base, but has the longest blade life, most power, capacity & (most importantly) accuracy of the lot.  It also has the best blade grip, pendulum action and blade release mechanisms. Plus the best blower, which partly makes up for the lack of lights.  Its also eye-wateringly exxy.  GBP 400 in a systainer.

Metabo (at least the 140 PLUS models) have slightly less power, but ergonomically superior handling.  The smallest  motor diameter on the market makes for the best, easiest & safest bodygrip available.  It also come in a handled model, but is probably the only saw of this bunch which would be better in a bodygrip iteration than a bowhandled version.  The switchable blower, twin lights & auto speed accelerator makes it the most user friendly of the lot in my opinion.  GBP 180 in a systainer, 150 without.

Mafell of course don't make a top handled model.

It's probably the easiest of all for me to follow a faint cutline with my less than perfect vision, and probably the least dependent saw on dust extraction, which is a pet hate of mine. The best dust-free (extracted) performance is probably from Mafell, followed by Festo.

The Festo is,  well perhaps best ignored in relation to these alternatives.  It tends to be rather comprehensively outperformed in almost all parameters in this company.  But as previously mentioned, there are some that might disagree...

Mafell, Bosch & Metabo would be my choice for cutting sheet steel & aluminium extrusions.

 
LJD said:
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I want to buy a better jigsaw. I learnt to buy better "P" type blades last year for my Good Bosch that has served me well ...
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I have a budget of £220.00 which can buy a new unit here in the UK .or £120 second hand via ebay etc  or private sales etc .
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I have a P1cc and it is very good. I also have a black diamond head lamp.
If you want to put the blade in backwards and use the saw upside and backwards, then it is the only game in town.
(you already mentioned that you do not do this)

It is also good if you need 900w and doing things a lot thicker than flooring.

It is also required if you want to use the super stiff Mafell blades, which you probably do not need for thinner wood.

Therefore...
My recommendation would be be to keep the Bosch, and get a head lamp or work light.
If you really need to upgrade then you want something better than your Bosch. That may include the Makita mentioned above, which sounds like good value.
 
I have a PS 300 setup with a Collins Coping foot.  I don't find any issue with it in this usage.  My one complaint would be following a line with the saw right side up.  I just can't see the line as there isn't enough light reflected down.

A clever sales person at the local brick and mortar place once did a demo where this wasn't an issue...he cut from the underside, and was able to see the line.

Other than that complaint, I think it's a decent tool.

If I were to buy a new one, surely I'd want the P1CC....but geez, it gets hard enough to justify the dough for the Festo as a hobbyist.  Owning a Mafell would make me a "snobbyist"?  [big grin]

But then again, other people own Corvettes and other performance cars even though the speed limit is 75...
 
The Trion, in my honest opinion, is a pants jigsaw. Yes I know how to adjust it, yes I am a Festool fan but Herr Festool dropped a big one with his jigsaws and having recently done a back to back test with the Carvex and the Metabo 18v jigsaws I bought the Metabo and couldn't be happier.  I am inclined to believe that he would have done himself a big favour by buying shed loads of Mafell P1CC, and spraying them green and black. After all that is what Mafell have done with their 10.8v and 18v drills: sprayed them Mafell red instead of Metabo Green and Black and added about a £100 to the price.

As it is I will likely get the Mafell once I have sold a kidney but in the meantime I have bought the Metabo 18v jigsaw and it is a belter of a tool. The Trion gathers dust alongside that other scion of 'tools I wish I had never heard' of, the Porter Cable profile sander.

I know many are very pleased with their Trions and Carvex saws but were I in the market for a replacement mains jigsaw with a budget of £200ish I would look carefully at the excellent Bosch GS 160 at about £195 or give the mains version of my Metabo STA140 at around £150 a very serious look. It is an excellent jigsaw, needs no blade guide adjustment, has a flick of a lever mitre sole adjustment and a 3 year warranty. Plus, £50 buys a lot of blades.

If you do want a Carvex, Amazon Warehouse have a used one at about £240 but in the heady rush to relieve you of your hard-earned, Herr Festool dropped the built-in, adjustable by hex key, mitre sole plate of the Trion/300 and kindly replaced it on the Carvex with an extra adjustable sole plate......at £80 a pop.

How they chuckled in Wendlingen! ;D
 
Some good "food for thought here" ! .I currently tend to stick with Bosch T144DP blades as these seem to the best i can get to aid straight cutting etc . And I doubt i will ever cut anything that deep  these days . 20-40mm is about average through the year .

I have always like Metabo .They are the "under dogs" at times. But i believe they make a "Sander" much rather like a well known expensive Brand.....so well the other brand just has them made in their "colours"

This could lead to a good thread starter "who really makes our tools " .Just like car parts , you can find Cheap parts on super cars . But if you order the "relay" etc from The expensive car company its $400  when in fact its $4 from a cheaper french car spares place .Same item, different badge and price !

There is a Mafell on ebay here in the UK, I think with postage it will top £250.00 easily and whilst its in good condition , could do with a new bottom plastic  plate etc

again, thanks !
 
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