Publishing videos of your work?

Dan Clark

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** Edited 4/24/08 @ 12:30 (new video links) **

In this thread, Dan Clermont posted some video of Brian sanding and polishing using a Rotex.  It was a great video and Dan makes some convincing arguments about carrying around one camera that will capture video and still images.

OTOH a purpose-specific camera can give you better quality.  Two of the video cameras I'm looking at is the Canon HV30 and Canon HF10.  The HV30 uses MiniDV while the HF10 uses internal or add on solid state memory (SD) cards.   

When I started writing this post, I had only seen one HV30 video and no HF10 videos.  Below are links to some HV30 sample videos.  Now, after looking at the vids below?  I'm amazed at the quality.  If you want to get blown away, instead of clicking on the start triangle, click on the "Full" botton in the bottom right corner of the video frame.  :o  ;D  When your watching, remember that these were shot with a camera that's not much bigger than your hand and costs less than $850.  (WARNING - HIGH SPEED CONNECT ONLY):

First, here's a how-to video.  The topic is silly, but the quality is amazing:http://www.vimeo.com/777514.

Here's one of some dogs.  Notice the lack of motion blur when they move around:http://www.vimeo.com/902319. 

Here's one that I REALLY like of the Blue Angels:http://www.vimeo.com/847606.  The music is nice too.

This is a video using a wide angle converter for the HV30 lens:http://vimeo.com/890157.

A nice demo video of using a Raynox M250 macro converter lens for the HV30:http://www.vimeo.com/884221

And a few others:http://www.vimeo.com/872557,http://www.vimeo.com/935448, andhttp://www.vimeo.com/892592.

As you can see, they are both little bitty buggers:

MeasureCanon HF10Canon HV30
Weight (gram)380535
Width (mm)7388
Height (mm)6480
Length (mm)129138
Weight (oz)13.418.9
Width (in)2.93.5
Height (in)2.63.2
Length (in)5.25.5

I'm blown away at how far video quality has improved in the last 8 years or so.

What do you think about using these cameras to upload video for sharing techniques and ideas.

Thanks,

Dan.

p.s. And they take 3 megapixel photos too.
 
I just took HD(1280 x 720) video with my little Kodak camera that cost 300.00 this morning of my kid at a school play.. On my HD set I am blown away at the quality. And with 16 Gig card for 50.00 I have hours of video in the palm of my hand. If the video is this good on my little camera the newer dedicated video cameras must rock!

Nickao
 
Nick,

I've seen some pretty good videos played directly on TVs.  What is amazing to me about the videos in the links I posted was the quality you get on the INTERNET!  Click on some of those video links in my post and you'll how much they rock. 

Regards,

Dan. 

p.s. Go to full screen too.
 
Oh yeah I have been watching awesome quality vids on the internet, better than the non HD tv for sure.

Nickao
 
I changed the Canon HV30 links around a bit.  The first link is now a short how-to link.  The quality is very nice.

Regards,

Dan.
 
I am thinking the miniDV may not last much longer. With the SD cards going up to 64 gig and a nice 16 gig card for 50.00 I do not see the point of the mini DV anymore, I never use mine at all.

The quality seems the same on both formats. Any comments?

Nickao
 
nickao said:
I am thinking the miniDV may not last much longer. With the SD cards going up to 64 gig and a nice 16 gig card for 50.00 I do not see the point of the mini DV anymore, I never use mine at all.

The quality seems the same on both formats. Any comments?

Nickao
Nick,

I have some concerns about that too.  Here's what I've been able to find out:

Pros of HF10 Solid State Memory Cameras:
- Lighter and smaller
- Over the long run, media is cheaper
- No random access to clips
- No need to digitize media

Cons of HF10:
- Image quality not as good as HV30
- No optical viewfinder like the HV30's
- May be too small for some hands
- Editing AVCHD requires much higher CPU power in the editing computer
- All editors may not support AVCHD
- Still need to archive the media (MiniDV media is already archived)

My original intention was to get an SD or hard drive video camera.  Now I'm not sure.  As you can see, it's a mixed bag.   

My point in posting is that with a little effort you can post videos on the web that look almost as good professional quality videos. 

Regards,

Dan.
 
Not many editors support AVCHD unless something has changed with Adobe After Effects, Final Cut Pro and Sony Vegas so although Hard Drive cameras sound great they really aren't very useful if you need to edit.

Most of the low res stuff we get here from car crashes, things blowing up or any camera put into a dangerous situation where the camera may get damaged is either recording P2 or HDV

That camera I used in my Youtube videos was a Canon Powershot S3. Nothing fancy.

Dan Clermont

 
Michael Kellough said:
For action shots try this high speed camera.
Michael,

I think that camera is aimed a different category of user.  I'm thinking of slow-movin' users for 20 minutes.  Rather than fast-moving users for 20 seconds.  (I don't move that fast these days!)  ;D

Dan.
 
Dan Clark said:
Michael Kellough said:
For action shots try this high speed camera.
Michael,

I think that camera is aimed a different category of user.  I'm thinking of slow-movin' users for 20 minutes.  Rather than fast-moving users for 20 seconds.   (I don't move that fast these days!)   ;D

Dan.

Would've been great for that cutaway Domino  :)
 
Dans,
   I am assuming that I am the senior videographer here. I started with a job with NYC's largest video production house where I shot in 2" reel to reel tape and then 1" and then 1/2" Beta - all advances.
I still have my Sony Dxc 727 Hi8 3 chip camera - it is a footrest under my editing PC. It had great specs for tape but poor relative to todays cameras. Digital video is hot. I now have two HDR-FX1 HDV Handycam Camcorders that are both 3 chip and have specs to beat the band and more importantly - beautiful, sharp footage.
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They are mini-DV camera which I am  happy to have. When I shoot, I label the tape, lock up the shop and go to the editing PC and convert the "dailies". At that point I can store the DVs away not to be used again...unless I accidentally screw up the hard drives (of which I now have 2 teribytes of video storage,)
   If I can add a thing or two to this thread. 1) a good tripod will always be a great value. A ball head on a monopod is fine for catch-can stuff. A fluid head really nice for "studio work."  2) lighting important even with the capabilities of today's cameras. 3) lastly, a script or at least a shot list is very useful. If you can get the Blue Angels to do some formations for you, never mind, but if it is the CT22 or Domino more is better.
   I hope this thread can be one that grows and grows.
 
John,

Thanks!  Those Sony cams are pretty incredible, but my needs are much simpler.  My primary target for publishing with be the Internet on a site like Vimeo.  But I agree, I'd like to see this thread continue.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Hey Guys, this is timely thread for me.  I have been spending a ton-o-time reviewing cameras and just when you think that you have the right one picked out....you read something that makes you think...."hmmm, maybe I am better off going another way."  There are just simply too many choices out there; and then when you throw in editing into the mix the recipe grows out of control.

My boys are into theater and Mom wants an HD Camera that is light, small, and sexy to put on a tripod and record the plays.  I don't imagine much editing for that type of thing.  However, the boys want to make movies and such which would require a ton of editing.  We have the Computers to do the editing but the MiniDV Mom has now just won't cut it for the 16 year old Cecil B. DeMille ....maybe he is Marty Scorsese???  Who knows?  (He doesn't even know who he is at 16  lol.... oh the joys of parenting) and then there is the 11 year old Ashton Kutcher I have on my hands.  Anyway, there are just too many variables to choose just ONE camera.

Thanks for the thread guys!

Confused in Nebraska,

Tim
 
Last night I stopped by Best Buy to look at the HF10 and the HV30.  Some random thoughts and details:

- The HF10 is very small.  While it would still be a bit heavy and bulky, you could put it in a jacket pocket.  That's probably not feasible with the HV30.

- I confirmed - no optical viewfinder on the HF10.

- You cannot attach an external shotgun mic to an HF10, although you could attach one to an external bracket and then plug it in.  You CAN attach an external mic (like an Aztec or Canon DM50) to the DV30. 

To me, an external mic is CRITICAL.  The internal mics are typically horrible.  Pretty much worthless, IMO.  An external mic is especially important when filming young thespians (unless they want to be mimes).

I decided that the HV30 is the right video camera for my needs.  Now, it's just a matter of timing.

Regards,

Dan.

 
Dan I am camera shy so if I took video of my work I would not be talking or seen anyway. But yesterday when I taped the kids show at school the sound was the weak link. So I am in total agreement.

Perfect HD, but the kids are hard to hear. Making a mic is a very tough job, more difficult then video right now. When I was into home automation the mic placement and layout was always the critical factor.

Maybe someday the technology will be there for a little mic built in a camera that works well, but that is a long way off.

Nickao
 
nickao said:
Dan I am camera shy so if I took video of my work I would not be talking or seen anyway. But yesterday when I taped the kids show at school the sound was the weak link. So I am in total agreement.

Perfect HD, but the kids are hard to hear. Making a mic is a very tough job, more difficult then video right now. When I was into home automation the mic placement and layout was always the critical factor.

Maybe someday the technology will be there for a little mic built in a camera that works well, but that is a long way off.

Nickao
Nick,

There are some decent external microphone's out there.  I had a Canon external mic on my last camera that worked great.  The Canon DM50 will work fine on the Canon DV30 camera - about $135:http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_gw?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=canon+dm50&x=0&y=0.  (With some other options).

Regards,

Dan.
 
Those are cool mics!But twice the size of my camera and dedicated video camera.

It will be nice when those quality microphones shrink down in size a bit.

Nickao
 
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