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Does anyone make raised panel doors with the OF 2200? If so, any details on special procedures would be great.
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Raised Panel Doors with OF 2200?
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Brice Burrell
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Peter, I remember Kent Brobeck used the 2200 with the guide rail to make raised panels for wainscoting, check it out over at the JLC forum. Unfortunately there isn't much useful info on that thread. I'll shoot you his email, check for a PM shortly.
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i don't know if you have the bit sets yet if not i can put you in touch with someone who has a extensive library of those professional bit sets [eek] [eek] and it just so happens he's missing quite a few labels [wink]
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William Herrold said:
Speaking of table mounted routers, any truth to the rumor festool is making a routing table available in the USA? I have heard that one already exists in Europe, but not sure. I am asking b/c of the same issue this thread is about: how to make raised panel doors with festool routers.
Any info would be appreciated!
hueburke said:
They have what is called the CMS system which is a table with inserts/fences available for their Circular saw, router and jigsaw. Supposedly the CMS with router insert is coming to NA this year, whether or not the saw inserts show up remains to be determined or approved. Check out the Festool UK web site for more info about the CMS or check out IdealTools (in Aus) for some info.
T[size=11pt]his question is a reply to Mr. Herrold's response: I am router novice and recently bought an OF 2000 thinking it a great value and something I could use to cut some raised panel kitchen cabinet doors. I noticed that a 3+ inch router bit will not fit the base. Is it sensible to go with one of CMT mini panel raising sets or do you feel this is also "router table only?" Should I change the base? Buy a 1400? Buy a 2200? I am really confused. Thanks for being patient with a router bit simpleton. mb [/size]
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A novice especially should only use a router table to raise panels, period. Even if the router could use the bits I still would implore you to use a table. You can get hurt bad otherwise. I would never do raised panels with a hand held router, EVER. I believe Herrold also said use the big bits in the table. Even with the mini panel raising set I still would use a table, it is just simpler to get perfect results and safer as well.
I have seen people do raised panels with a hand held, but the setup is pretty extensive and it was a pro that wrote the article.
If you have a table saw you can do a version of the raised panel as well, pretty simple to do too.
I have seen people do raised panels with a hand held, but the setup is pretty extensive and it was a pro that wrote the article.
If you have a table saw you can do a version of the raised panel as well, pretty simple to do too.
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MB, firstly I would echo Nickao's post,using a hand held router with a large diameter bit is a practice only for the foolhardy or very experienced and confident practioner that being said even then things can go wrong and if you are lucky only the timber gets disfigured.
A decent table set up is really safer and easier to work with, almost regardless of which router you employ, as long as it is powerfull enough and can be regulated for speed. Large diameter bits need to run at a lower rpm. I have used many table set ups from home made to shop bought but I am fortunate enough to have the CMS router table set up now that behaves like a small spindle moulder/shaper. Making your own table is pretty easy and there are many posts on the net about doing so. Your OF2000 will do the job, you just need to put it in a table to protect you and the expensive timber.
Hope this is of help,
Rob.
A decent table set up is really safer and easier to work with, almost regardless of which router you employ, as long as it is powerfull enough and can be regulated for speed. Large diameter bits need to run at a lower rpm. I have used many table set ups from home made to shop bought but I am fortunate enough to have the CMS router table set up now that behaves like a small spindle moulder/shaper. Making your own table is pretty easy and there are many posts on the net about doing so. Your OF2000 will do the job, you just need to put it in a table to protect you and the expensive timber.
Hope this is of help,
Rob.
I am not a fan of raised panels on the table saw. The part of the panel that goes into the groove is beveled & once installed, if there is any shrinkage with the panel it will be rattling about in the groove. Dedicated router & spindle cutters machine a flat where it goes into the groove. I hope this makes sense.
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I bought my first router in 1949, so I have been using them a while. Over these years I have raised man, many panels.
The first time I had space for a wood shop, the same day I bought a table saw I bought a shaper. I am not sure the year, probably late 1953. At that time I had never seen a router table. The OD on the largest bit I use hand-held is under 50mm.
These days I have a far more sophisticated and powerful shaper with a tilting spindle and variable speed. I also own two router tables, but have not subjected any of my Festool routers to use on a table. However, if I had less space and were starting out I sure would buy Festool routers and would not hesitate to mount them on a table.
The reality is that in my business nearly all the doors I make requiring raised panels are most effectively produced on my CNC nested router. Still, I like to make cabinet doors using more traditional methods when I have the time, just because I love wood craft, especially with Festools.
The first time I had space for a wood shop, the same day I bought a table saw I bought a shaper. I am not sure the year, probably late 1953. At that time I had never seen a router table. The OD on the largest bit I use hand-held is under 50mm.
These days I have a far more sophisticated and powerful shaper with a tilting spindle and variable speed. I also own two router tables, but have not subjected any of my Festool routers to use on a table. However, if I had less space and were starting out I sure would buy Festool routers and would not hesitate to mount them on a table.
The reality is that in my business nearly all the doors I make requiring raised panels are most effectively produced on my CNC nested router. Still, I like to make cabinet doors using more traditional methods when I have the time, just because I love wood craft, especially with Festools.
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tiralie said:
Indeed I did. I can't say I felt unsafe at anytime and I cut panel in one pass. I'm not suggesting it's something everyone should attempt with just any router.
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I agree with this statement for the most part. There are good reasons why the average person in an average car shouldn't drive 110 mph on the road. However, Michael Schumacher in a F1 car on a the track can with ease. My point, the OF2200 is a race car and in the hands of the right driver it can really move.....
And speaking of the 2200, I used it today to rout a few mortises in two 6"x12" joists using the MFS. Not a big deal with on the ground but in place, over an indoor swimming pool, it's a little more interesting. I would have loved to get some pictures but I'm afraid some of the setup wouldn't exactly meet OSHA standards. [wink]
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Brice Burrell said:
Brice, as I wrote that post I was thinking of your post where you showed this. [wink] As I know you have the background and practice to do so.
I think it is worth saying that some tasks possible with hand held power tools are only within the comfort zone of those with an amount of practical experience. I have used tools in some weird ways over the years, to get the job done, always with an eye on being safe and still having all my digits, but that takes learned experience not an article published on-line or in a book. It is a case of thinking the job through first not simply following a "recipe".
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The 2200 would be about the only router that I would try it with and then only with the extended base installed. It is surprisingly smooth and easy to handle for such a large router. I would make sure the panels are well clamped before each pass.
Having said that, I use an old DW621 in a table with Amana bits to raise panels. It works well if I don't try to finish the cut in one pass.
Having said that, I use an old DW621 in a table with Amana bits to raise panels. It works well if I don't try to finish the cut in one pass.
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I agree, Wonderwino, my OF2200 is actually more comfortable to use than the DW625E-LX I was given as a replacement for my old Elu 177E.
I don't even notice the extra weight it carries either, anymore. Maybe I've toned up some muscles [laughing] [laughing] ;D
I don't even notice the extra weight it carries either, anymore. Maybe I've toned up some muscles [laughing] [laughing] ;D
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Peter Halle said:
Peter,
We did raised panels using the OF2200 and the MFS system in the router class last week. The MFS system adds the puck to stabilize the router inside the MFS guides. Seems to me that we were using 2 1/2" profile bits. Generally, though, I would prefer to do raised panel doors on a router table with copious use of featherboards and a 2 1/2" hose to my big shop-vac.
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