Has anyone here removed the pins on their old style Domino? If so, I would like to hear about the process. I am also interested to know if they can be reinstalled. I can't really justify replacing the fence with a newer one with the retractable paddles.
Removing pins on older Domino
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Brice Burrell
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BillG said:
I don't know how to remove the pins. However, I'm sure you wouldn't have much trouble trading your pin fence for a paddle version.
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Was going to suggest what Brice said... it's all the big-endian/little-endian argument... some people love the pins/loath the paddles, others love the paddles/loath the pins (and they are wrong 
PaulMarcel said:Was going to suggest what Brice said... it's all the big-endian/little-endian argument... some people love the pins/loath the paddles, others love the paddles/loath the pins (and they are wrong
Thanks for the responses guys. I will have to give that some thought. So Paul are both sides wrong?
. In any case, what advantages does either one have over the other? 
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They push out from behind.
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Some people don't like the pins version because they can't retract them like the paddles. At least on my paddle fence (I have both), retracting them involves using a hex wrench to pin them back so I suspect that people who did that always use the fence with the paddles retracted. This would be similar to you pushing out the pins on yours (do keep them for resale!)
I prefer the pins because you can use those narrow stock spacers that slip over the pin and turn it into a side fence for centering the mortise on a particular width stock. Since centering is much less important (to me: should be avoided) the fact that your stock is 1.73" wide and you have a spacer for 1.75" is no problem. You can slide the spacers between pins quickly while working. The paddles have no direct counterpart; a third-party accessory from Rick Christopherson, though, helps give you some of the benefits with other benefits. While it is more adjustable than the spacers, the spacers are wicked fast. I blogged about the spacers ages ago here. Similarly, I reviewed the SCG Rick makes. The SCG is a great solution for paddle fences; in a speed (with accuracy) race, the spacers will win. I used them a lot in a part of a bathroom vanity I did. You'll see them in use here and on the other one for the bottom segment.
I prefer the pins because you can use those narrow stock spacers that slip over the pin and turn it into a side fence for centering the mortise on a particular width stock. Since centering is much less important (to me: should be avoided) the fact that your stock is 1.73" wide and you have a spacer for 1.75" is no problem. You can slide the spacers between pins quickly while working. The paddles have no direct counterpart; a third-party accessory from Rick Christopherson, though, helps give you some of the benefits with other benefits. While it is more adjustable than the spacers, the spacers are wicked fast. I blogged about the spacers ages ago here. Similarly, I reviewed the SCG Rick makes. The SCG is a great solution for paddle fences; in a speed (with accuracy) race, the spacers will win. I used them a lot in a part of a bathroom vanity I did. You'll see them in use here and on the other one for the bottom segment.
Tom, thanks for the information. I am assuming tapping them out with a punch will work? I will have to see if one of my gunsmithing punches will do the job.
Paul, I checked out your blog on the spacers. I recently bought the self centering jig, and this was my first time to use it. I found that it and the pins were getting in each other's way and messing up my accuracy - hence my question. Thanks for the response.
Paul, I checked out your blog on the spacers. I recently bought the self centering jig, and this was my first time to use it. I found that it and the pins were getting in each other's way and messing up my accuracy - hence my question. Thanks for the response.
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BillG said:
Even with a "trade in"? Somebody will snap up your pin-style head in a heartbeat if you put an ad in the classified section.
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The pins can be used to make louvers.
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Seriously, I have never even had the desire to make louvers. Off to take some pictures of my fence it seems. barnowl said:Seriously, I can't understand why anyone would want to remove the pins.
They are so very important in registering multiple dominoes.
I'd suggest working on your cutting technique, as I find them invaluable.
There's nothing wrong with my cutting technique. But please, elaborate. Invaluable for what? If I am using dominoes to do a long section, using the pins to index one after the other seems to me to be a waste of dominoes. For short sections, I bought the self centering jig mentioned above, which seems to me to be much more versatile, even if it is a little slower than some other techniques.
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BillG said:
Yeah, I've encountered the same thing you have...knowing you could work faster if you didn't have that nagging feeling that you should double-check to make quite sure the protruding pin isn't getting in the way.
BTW, the pins allow you to make jigs where the pins register into 5mm holes in a thin sheet of masonite or ply so you can use the domino to make shelf pin holes (with dominos as the pins) or to repeat-position the machine in batch work.
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BillG said:barnowl said:Seriously, I can't understand why anyone would want to remove the pins.
They are so very important in registering multiple dominoes.
I'd suggest working on your cutting technique, as I find them invaluable.
There's nothing wrong with my cutting technique. But please, elaborate. Invaluable for what? If I am using dominoes to do a long section, using the pins to index one after the other seems to me to be a waste of dominoes.
On that we agree. I'm referring to multiples in shorter glueups, registering the 1st domino with the pin from the edge, and the 2nd from the 1st.
For short sections, I bought the self centering jig mentioned above, which seems to me to be much more versatile, even if it is a little slower than some other techniques.
My reference to cutting technique was because some have said that they felt that the pins "seem to push the tool from the work".
I haven't found this to be the case at all, holding the fence tight with one hand, and the other hand gently feeding the tool.
And many times I use pencil marks, but I find the pins one more option depending on the application.
I did buy the magnetic discs for smaller stock, but not the self centering jig.
barnowl said:BillG said:barnowl said:Seriously, I can't understand why anyone would want to remove the pins.
They are so very important in registering multiple dominoes.
I'd suggest working on your cutting technique, as I find them invaluable.
There's nothing wrong with my cutting technique. But please, elaborate. Invaluable for what? If I am using dominoes to do a long section, using the pins to index one after the other seems to me to be a waste of dominoes.
On that we agree. I'm referring to multiples in shorter glueups, registering the 1st domino with the pin from the edge, and the 2nd from the 1st.
For short sections, I bought the self centering jig mentioned above, which seems to me to be much more versatile, even if it is a little slower than some other techniques.
My reference to cutting technique was because some have said that they felt that the pins "seem to push the tool from the work".
I haven't found this to be the case at all, holding the fence tight with one hand, and the other hand gently feeding the tool.
And many times I use pencil marks, but I find the pins one more option depending on the application.
I did buy the magnetic discs for smaller stock, but not the self centering jig.
Thank you for clarifying that for me. For the stuff I build, which is usually one off types of furniture, I find I don't do a lot of repetition, and the pins really do get in the way for me, especially if I need to put two dominoes real close to one another or something like that. I am not above making mistakes with tools, that is for sure.
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