Review of Festool Workshop Cleaning Set (Product No. 454767)

[Corwin]

... Instead, the D50 plugs into the CT and is lead up to where the upper and lower portions of the Boom Arm connect.  You should also have a shorter/heavier power cord that gets plugged into the CT and is also lead to this connection point.  

If you're referring to the adapter cable I do have this, but not sure if you are.  I wish I could find a parts list for the boom arm.

The power cord that comes with the Boom Arm is long enough to reach the location where the Boom Arm's upper and lower tubes connect when plugged into the outlet on the CT -- without running to the shop to check, this may be about 1.5 meters +/- in length.

For US models, the part number is 492757.  On the FestoolUSA website, select 'support' on the main menu and then choose 'Electronic Parts System' from the 'Assistance' menu to get to the Parts System.  Once there, select 'Accessories' from the menu on the left side of the page and then select 'Boom arm' and then 'CT boom arm' to get to the page you want.  Good luck.  [smile]

The clips that hold the hose to the upper tube on the Boom Arm will work with either the D27 or D36 hose.  The D27 hose will easily lead into these clips, but the D36 hose is another story.  To install the D36 hose, you will need to loosen the bolts that fasten these two-part hose clips -- these bolts are somewhat short and may actually need to be completely undone before you can get the larger hose installed.  So, once the bolts are either loosened or removed, you can install the D36 hose within the clip and tighten or reinstall the bolts.  It would have been nicer if these bolts were just a tad longer.

I did remove one of these clips to try and figure out how to install.  Even with the bolts out, I couldn't see that they would be long enough to grab the other side.  I couldn't get it to work, I gave up pretty quickly and decided to just buy some longer bolts.

Yes, these really are too short for the job on my Boom Arm also.  But, I was able to loosen these bolts (all the way), install the D36 into the clip and retighten the bolts.  Since you have already purchased longer bolts, this should be much easier to reassemble.  Anyway, you should be able to install the D36 hose onto your Boom Arm.

 

[mikeneron]

My set was a little hard to put the pieces together at first too.  However, after putting the pieces together and taking them apart a few times, they go together much smoother now.  I have not had any problems with them coming apart when pressure is applied -- it sounds like you might not have everything fully seated on the wand.  I have found that twisting and pushing them together at the same time allowed me to seat each tube properly.

Scot

Does the same apply to the hose...does it become a bit more flexible with use?  I do like the extra diameter for cleaning up and for use with my TS55, but the hose is kind of awkward to deal with as it doesn't have much give to it.

 

[ScotF]

Hi Mikeneron,

Are you referring to the entire hose or just the rubber end?  The rubber end has a little give and fits over the nozzle or on the tools easier after a few uses.  The hose itself has a tendency to wind on itself, but I find that stretching it out removes the twist and kinks and I can keep it pretty straight.  I do not have the Boom Arm (yet), but that would also help tremendously. 

Scot

 

[NuggyBuggy]

... Instead, the D50 plugs into the CT and is lead up to where the upper and lower portions of the Boom Arm connect.  You should also have a shorter/heavier power cord that gets plugged into the CT and is also lead to this connection point.  

If you're referring to the adapter cable I do have this, but not sure if you are.  I wish I could find a parts list for the boom arm.

The power cord that comes with the Boom Arm is long enough to reach the location where the Boom Arm's upper and lower tubes connect when plugged into the outlet on the CT -- without running to the shop to check, this may be about 1.5 meters +/- in length.

For US models, the part number is 492757. 

[/quote]

Wow.  I don't know where mine went, but I just checked the (Canadian) price for that part - $77.  It's just an extension cord,  that plugs into the front of the CT and provides a female receptacle at the other end, right ? Is there any good reason why I couldn't just use another suitably rated extension in its place ?

 

[Brice Burrell]

Wow.  I don't know where mine went, but I just checked the (Canadian) price for that part - $77.  It's just an extension cord,  that plugs into the front of the CT and provides a female receptacle at the other end, right ? Is there any good reason why I couldn't just use another suitably rated extension in its place ?

No reason to spend that kind of money, it's just an extension cord.  Any (preferably short length) heavy gauge extension cord will do.

 

[kcasser]

Just curious (I'll be making this decision shortly  [unsure]) but is the floor nozzle in this set that much better than the one in the Tradesman/Installer set?  It looks it, but I'm just wondering if it makes sense to spend $30 more to get fewer tools?

 

[chrisrosenb]

Just curious (I'll be making this decision shortly  [unsure]) but is the floor nozzle in this set that much better than the one in the Tradesman/Installer set?  It looks it, but I'm just wondering if it makes sense to spend $30 more to get fewer tools?

Yes it is much better.
The floor nozzle is what sold me on the Workshop set.

Just to note that the Workshop kit does not include the crevice nozzle, upholstery nozzle or the suction brush that are included in the Tradesman kit.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Yes it is much better.
The floor nozzle is what sold me on the Workshop set.

Just to note that the Workshop kit does not include the crevice nozzle, upholstery nozzle or the suction brush that are included in the Tradesman kit.

Chris, I'd love to hear your opinion after using the new floor nozzle for a couple of weeks.  I'm thinking about getting one of these.

 

[tbellemare]

My observation has been that people, who go to training, tend to buy them.

Tom

 

[ScotF]

Brice,

I am going on a couple of months now and I really, really like this thing...I have no experience with the other floor nozzles Festool offers to compare it with, but this thing is built like a tank.  My shop is all concrete with a small carpet area near the entry door and this makes quick work of cleaning up all of the surfaces. 

Scot

 

[chrisrosenb]

Yes it is much better.
The floor nozzle is what sold me on the Workshop set.

Just to note that the Workshop kit does not include the crevice nozzle, upholstery nozzle or the suction brush that are included in the Tradesman kit.

Chris, I'd love to hear your opinion after using the new floor nozzle for a couple of weeks.  I'm thinking about getting one of these.

Brice, I am already sold on the new floor nozzle. Like Scot, I have carpeted mats at my shop doors & in my office. It was always a pain to clean those. The other floor nozzles I have used would grab the mats. So I would end up trying to stand on the mats to keep them from moving around. The new nozzle has wheels that allow the brushes too just touch the surface.
It picks up the dust & chips, but not grab the mats. It is also very easy to move over the floor.  

 

[kcasser]

Sounds terrific!  One other question.  I see they offer a 'retrofit water extraction kit' for the floor nozzle.  Does anyone actually defile their Festool dust extractor by picking up water?  I'd think I would use my $24.99 ShopVac for that.  [scared]

 

[Brice Burrell]

Sounds terrific!  One other question.  I see they offer a 'retrofit water extraction kit' for the floor nozzle. Does anyone actually defile their Festool dust extractor by picking up water?  I'd think I would use my $24.99 ShopVac for that.  [scared]

Not at all.  Festool recommends that replace the main HEPA filters with their sponge filters so they are ruined. 

 

[AlexThePalex]

Does anyone actually defile their Festool dust extractor by picking up water?  I'd think I would use my $24.99 ShopVac for that.  [scared]

Yup, I do. I have these special filters for wet use Brice is talking about, and a special bucket (called the dirt trap) you can place inside the CT22. Makes it very easy and is no problem for the vac whatsoever because it is designed for this.

 

[NuggyBuggy]

First off, the D50 hose doesn't get installed onto the upper portion of the Boom Arm, so it doesn't need to fit into the hose clips.  Instead, the D50 plugs into the CT and is lead up to where the upper and lower portions of the Boom Arm connect.  You should also have a shorter/heavier power cord that gets plugged into the CT and is also lead to this connection point.  So, these shorter lengths of D50 hose and power cord that come with the Boom Arm provide the additional lengths needed, and both are installed at the CT end.

Thanks Corwin.  I found my D50 extension hose, as well as the power extension.  A picture here suggests a special tube holder for the D50, but I can't tell from the  boom arm parts list what part I need.   The only thing that looks like it might be the right part is described as  "Pipe clamp (492784)", though this part is described elsewhere as a "support tube bracket".

Also, the parts list shows a "support (492783)" and a "strut (493040)", which I can't see in any pictures of the boom arm.  Can someone tell me what these parts are supposed to do ?

thanks - terry

 

[Brice Burrell]

Terry, you link isn't working.  Is this the part you're talking about, Festool Suction Hose Holder

 

[NuggyBuggy]

Brice,

Thanks for the reply, and sorry for the broken link and the post which was quite unclear.  I wasn't referring to the nifty piece you have, but instead a clamp which appears to hold the initial extension hose up away from the CT and to the lower portion of the boom arm.

The proper link is  http://www.woodshopdemos.com/fes-66.htm . (just can't seem to place links on the forum today).

In the very first picture, the lady is attaching what looks to be the D50 hose to the boom arm, but I seem to be missing that part.  The parts list is visible on the Festool USa website if one clicks on "Support", then "Parts catalog",  "Accessories", "CT Boom Arm" (twice, I think).

I can't tell which part # I am missing.

Also the parts diagram shows two pieces which I don't think I've seen on a CT, Part # 10 "Support (492783) " and Part # 11 ("strut", 493040).  I think I may have the supports, not the struts, but can't figure out where they might go here either.  And to think I almost threw away the struts when I couldn't figure out what they belonged to !
Thanks !
terry

 

[Corwin]

Hey Terry,

In the link you provided, the first picture shows Andrea attempting to connect the D50 hose to the hose brackets.  She wasn't successful, as you can see in the second picture that D50 hose is not held in place by any bracket.  So, you are not missing a part to connect the D50 hose to the Boom Arm, because there is no such part.

The EKAT page for the Boom Arm is somewhat problematic, as the list of items contains no item numbers to correspond with the diagram.  Most (if not all) other product parts lists in the system include the item numbers so you can identify the parts in the diagram using the list.

Also, note that the Boom Arm page in the EKAT shows the parts that come with the Boom Arm that are needed for the new CT26 and CT36 models.  Items 13,14 and 15 are for these new extractors, and are not included (or needed) with to install the Boom Arm on older CTs.  Of the two drawings of the CT extractors, the lower drawing is of the older CTs which shows the cord wraps and the lower bracket that come with the handle.  The upper drawing of the CT shows the new model and the associated parts.

The suction tube holder that Brice mentioned earlier is not required on the Boom Arm installations, but it does help somewhat to manage the D50 hose.  I have a hard time recommending it simply because of the added cost of the item.  But, it is useful with or without the Boom Arm to hold the hose up.  You can see how it holds the D50 hose in place in the my photo in post #6 in this thread.

On Edit: Parts #10 Support (492783) and #11 Strut (493040) along with part #7 Pipe Clamp (492784) make up the outrigger support for the Boom Arm.  The two support tubes (part #10) are held in place on either side of the handle with two of the pipe clamps (part #7) on each side (four required).  In many of the photos of the Boom Arm you will see these outrigger support tubes installed onto the handle and folded forward (in their stored position) against the sides of the CTs.  Some keep the struts (part #11) in the open end of one of the support tubes.  Once deployed, you can install the struts (an X brace) onto the two support tubes to fix these outrigger support tubes in place.  In earlier discussions on the Boom Arm, many of us noted that we either don't, or seldom use these outriggers to stabilize the Boom Arm.  With the Boom Arm hanging over the body of extractor, you will not need to deploy these outriggers.  However, with the Boom Arm extending out from the handle side you may find that deploying these outriggers is safer and will help to prevent the whole works from tipping over if you were to pull on the hose.

 

[bionicus]

Just thought I'd bump this review to add that the new T-Loc versions of the larger cleaning sets, including this Workshop set (497 701), now come in a Sys 5 instead of the Sys 4. This is indicated in the catalogue and maybe discussed elsewhere on the forum but was still a nice surprise when mine showed up this afternoon from ToolTech. Loading the 36mm hose and everything else is now a piece of pie.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

How's the T-Loc lid handling the big snake cause there's nothing holding the corners like the classic models and their latches?