Rotex fun

Bertotti

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Man, it sure seems the love or hate, dislike and like for the Rotex sanders is all over the place. Some say hey they do it all go for it as your only sander, others go straight to get an ets ec or half sheet or something else. Well, I bought the RO90. I have been using a 3x21 craftsman belt sander to do my pine floors getting the heavy finish off. What a lot of work. The RO I am using and picked first over the other Rotex was because of the delta and extended plate. It has worked as well as the belt sander, goes through less abrasive, and yes, I thought it was fun to use. Time flew by. Sadly it used different muscles than I apparently usually use and two 6 hour days really wore my writs out. I needed to grab a heavy bucket of mud and when I picked it up my right wrist had a very loud pop. Now several days later it feels much better and I am really wanting to start sanding with it again but would like to go faster. See where this is going? Yes, I plan to pick up a bigger Rotex but I'm not sure which yet. The ro125 with the 3.6 mm orbit or the ro150 with a 5 mm orbit. Yea the 150 would be faster and really wouldn’t cover the ro90s ground but the ro125 is less expensive still bigger and has an orbit that isn’t as aggressive as the ro150. The weight of the unit isn’t an issue. Being a Rotex isn’t an issue. I understand the handling issues and I'm aware of how aggressive it can be. I do wonder which is easier to handle but even that seems to have people answering with the opposite idea of their ease of use. In my local store, the man says the ro125 is quite easy to handle and the ro150 just bounced all over the place when he used it while others have an opposite opinion. To me, that is just odd. So if you have any other way to help decide between the two please let me know. And Like I said I really loved using the RO90 so far. Heck, I haven’t even tried it in anything but delta for the toe kicks and Rotex mode. I have been enjoying this a lot! Thanks all!
 
Given everything that you have described I would recommend the RO 150. IMO the 125 would be too small a move both for orbit size and disc size. I have been on this group and another one for a number of years and the handling complaints have almost always leaned towards the 125 and away from the 150. I own the 125 and love it but in your case I just think the the 125 would be to small a difference from your 90.
 
Alanbach said:
Given everything that you have described I would recommend the RO 150. IMO the 125 would be too small a move both for orbit size and disc size. I have been on this group and another one for a number of years and the handling complaints have almost always leaned towards the 125 and away from the 150. I own the 125 and love it but in your case I just think the the 125 would be to small a difference from your 90.

Thanks that is what I have been thinking as well. It's just nice to see a validating opinion. Cost is a concern but I can afford it but don't want to but will? Did that make sense? Do you happen to know if there are some round hand sanding pads in the 150 size capable of using the same paper as the ro150? I also really do like hand sanding and depending on the urgency I sometimes just take my time with a chunk of wood and some paper held to it. Would be cool to have a block I could connect to the ct 26. I always liked those round Japanese sanding blocks but time is often a critical component. Oh, and the best part would be telling my wife in the future that I need the trifecta of sanders! ISn't that the RO 90 Ro150 and an ets ec 150/3?
 
Since you already have the RO90 I would definitely recommend the 150.  That extra 25mm/1" translates to almost 50% more surface area on the pad, and so there is a significant jump in speed.  I have not tested the RO125 side by side with the RO150, and so can't comment about their relative merits in handling, but the RO150 does not take that long to get used to once you learn where the balance is on the machine.  You will definitely put some muscles to work in its operation, but whereas the stresses are concentrated in the hands and wrists with the RO90, with the RO150 it's more about the forearms, and so I find it to be ultimately less taxing and unnatural than doing a long sanding session with the RO90.  The only reason I might consider opting for the 125 over the 150 is if you have planned a fair amount of vertical or overhead sanding, where the extra weight of the 150 might become a burden.
 
ear3 said:
The only reason I might consider opting for the 125 over the 150 is if you have planned a fair amount of vertical or overhead sanding, where the extra weight of the 150 might become a burden.

Fun fact is that the 150 is so much faster that you'll be done a lot quicker with it and get less tired. When working above your head it is not necessarily the weight of the machine that is the decisive factor, but the amount of time you have to keep your hands up. Holding your hands up gets tiring quickly even if you don't lift anything.

I know both sanders very well, and the 150 is so much more sander than the 125 that I can only recommend the 150. Whatever you do, you do it 3 times faster with the 150 and it is much more comfortable to work with.
 
Rotex (of the various versions) is a great tool, especially employed for the things it does the best. The reason that many of us don't consider it a great "all around" sander is primarily physically handling. It generally prefers or requires (depending on the version) a two-handed grip for most effective use and stability. That can be cumbersome for general sanding, especially as things get smaller and there's more demand for your "second hand" to keep the workpiece from flying across the room. My point is that there is a reason for this particular response that has nothing to do with how good the tool actually is. Rotex rocks...for jobs that benefit from its capabilities.
 
I never understand the two handed dilemma of the Rotex lots of people have. I use it with one hand all the time and I have it perfectly under control.
 
Alex said:
I never understand the two handed dilemma of the Rotex lots of people have. I use it with one hand all the time and I have it perfectly under control.

The weight distribution makes it harder to balance with one hand and the higher weight can get tiring, too. Maybe the newer version is a little better at that, but the Rotex 150 I have is a bear to use with only one hand
 
Bertotti said:
Alanbach said:
Given everything that you have described I would recommend the RO 150. IMO the 125 would be too small a move both for orbit size and disc size.. a chunk of wood and some paper held to it. Would be cool to have a block I could connect to the ct 26. I always liked those round Japanese sanding blocks but time is often a critical component. Oh, and the best part would be telling my wife in the future that I need the trifecta of sanders! ISn't that the RO 90 Ro150 and an ets ec 150/3?
I have the above three and the Pro 5 (ets 125) that’s a good match to cover most work. If you’re doing floors then I would rent a floor sander from a rental place. Home Depot has a cheap one if your just doing your own place that takes a round disc sander. Work in both directions to level out the floor.  If you’re a flooring contractor they make much nicer floor sanders that act as drum sanders. My floors 90 year old vertical grain doug fir floors were so old, that it didn’t make sense to refinish with the time and cost involved. I personally don’t like VG fir on the floors? I ended up putting new hardwood floors over the old flooring. If I had to do it again I would use LVP flooring.
 
I had thought about renting but ultimately I don't mind the extra time it takes doing this with hand sanders because I just hate renting anything. If it is something I can use later I would rather buy. Thanks everyone for the Points of view! The biggest thing popping in here si sometimes it seems there is quite a bit of opposition to the rotex which I found interesting. having it explained the way Jim_in_PA described it makes more sense. Funny thing was when starting with the rotex I was treatign it as a sander but after about an hour I realize dit was much more like using an angle grinder, once I took that approach its operation in Rotex mode made so much more sense and it just became that much easier to use. Thanks again everyone. I always have a problem spending money on myself and I am going back and forth on adding the big one. I really do see the benefit but then I say to myself I have plenty of evenings I could make what I have work. I think in the long run it is more healthy to use the bigger one rather then continually crawling on the floor with the smaller units. I don't do floors often but I do tend to use ruff lumber and smooth it up myself with planes and scrapers so the 150 does make sense. Now to just convincemyself to pull the trigger. My wife isn't stopping me since it is for the house but she isn't exactly happy with it either. I can bribe that hurdle though! hahaha
 
Cheese said:
Bertotti said:
Would be cool to have a block I could connect to the ct 26.

Here's the Festool HSK block I was referring to earlier.

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https://www.festoolusa.com/products...-and-abrasives/496962---hsk-a-80x130#Overview

And here's the lightweight hose that's available.

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Nice! I saw the Festool sanding blocks but they just aren’t quite what I was looking for. I wonder can a person buy the loop portion of the surefix system and
Make their own block?
 
The Rotex 150 is going to be much faster at doing big jobs.  As well as having an almost 40% greater stoke (eccentricity) it also has almost twice the operating surface area of the RO125.  In comparison to that evil little RO90 the differences will be something around 400%!

It's also the smoothest running and easiest handled of the Rotex family, despite being the largest & heaviest.

I think this:https://www.mirka.com/Roundy-Dust-Free-Hand-Block-9190143011/
is the handblock that you're looking for.  It takes 150 mm discs, in both mesh & paper, & is properly extracted, unlike the others.  There's also regular rectangular handblocks available too, one with potentially extremely useful interchangeable profiled platens.
 
I seem to read how fast the ro150 is compared to the ro125. I can't help but imagine it will be incredibly fast compared to my ro90! One thing for certain is the 90 is doing a far better job than my belt sander did. It would just fill up with floor poly so fast I was always changing belts. The p40 on the ro90 seems to last a fair amount of time and if I use an eraser on the paper now and then, even longer. Oddly it seems to stop working well but doesn't feel all that smooth. I still pull it off once it seems to not work properly. I set it aside for some smaller project I can work on in a better potion.
 
Regarding you comments regarding hand sanding. I am not aware of a Festool hand sander that has a round backer and holds the 150mm paper. However, if you like hand sanding take a look at the link that Bohdan posted above. Once you hit the link If you scroll down the page you will also see a roll of sandpaper. That paper is foam backed and is great for hand sanding. It is available in Granat which gives gives you the non-loading characteristics that you have enjoyed. Also on that same page are their sanding sponges which are also great. These sandpaper’s won’t lend themselves to dust collection but personally I hate using a hand pad with an extractor. I find that Dealing with a hose while hand sanding is a pain. I do have Festools hand sanding pad and I use it sometimes but it’s not my favorite for hand sanding.
 
Bertotti said:
I seem to read how fast the ro150 is compared to the ro125. I can't help but imagine it will be incredibly fast compared to my ro90! One thing for certain is the 90 is doing a far better job than my belt sander did. It would just fill up with floor poly so fast I was always changing belts. The p40 on the ro90 seems to last a fair amount of time and if I use an eraser on the paper now and then, even longer. Oddly it seems to stop working well but doesn't feel all that smooth. I still pull it off once it seems to not work properly. I set it aside for some smaller project I can work on in a better potion.

I assume that you're aware that there's 36, 24 & even 16 G belts available?  A belt sander should, even with the most aggressive grits, be infinitely smoother running & more easily handled than that nasty little RO90 in ROTary mode.  Maybe you're different, but in my hands the "90" was unruly, prone to bunny-hopping on an almost constant basis & required an almost death-grip with both hands to prevent undue workpiece damage.  In my opinion the RO90 is one of the poorest sanders to have come from the Festo works:  it seemingly cannot handle any single task that isn't significantly done better elsewhere.  A DX93E Deltex is a far better Delta, Metabo's SXE400s or Mirka's DEROS 77/2.5 or 5.0 mm are superior small Randos, & the RO150 a far superior (probably the best) ROTary.  Even if classified as an allrounder "3 or 4-in-one" the RO90 is still a miserable failure, incapable of performing any particular task satisfactorily.

My principle concern with the RO90 is I suspect down to severely compromised ergonomics.  I too have wrist problems & consequently found that the "extreme" grip required to keep the littlest Rotex on the straight & narrow to be extremely tiring.  The much larger platen size of 150mm allows a lighter touch to be used.  It's just far less prone to gouging, digging-in & hopping. 

Having re-read your original post (Alanbach) I think that you'd be almost clinically certifiable to use the littlest Rotex on flooring!

In comparison, both the RO 150 & the various belt sanders I've owned & used (Makita, Hitachi, Bosch, Metabo & Festo/HolzHer) were faster, smoother yet more aggressive & paradoxically (particularly the latter 2 belt sanders when fitted with sanding frames) also extremely gentle if & when required too.  A framed belt sander is also possibly the best tool of all for flattening stepped glue-ups & fresh floorboards when used as recommended across the diagonals & subsequently along the grain.

Belt sanders in my experience actually benefit from having substantial size & mass.  Instead of requiring a firm grip, just a light restraining grip on the rear handle to counteract their "pull" is all that's really required, with perhaps just a lightly rested hand on top for slight extra pressure or steering input is necessary.  Their weight does the rest.

As an aside, if you apply a piece of old poly plumbing pipe to the front roller of your belt sander (a couple of seconds back & forth is all that's required) regularly whilst still in motion it will assist greatly in preventing belt loading & swarf buildup.

I've done quite a few floors in my time, both newly-laid boards & parquet, & refinishing old ones.  If commercial hire floor sanders are "out" then a 4" x 24" belt sander would be my second choice with a succession of 24 & 36 grit across the diagonals with 36, (maybe 60), 80 & 120 G along the grain.  Using a 150 Rotex is also possible, but will probably be slower overall due to the overall smaller platen size.

Otherwise, an 150 x 8 mm Mirka DEROS with Ceramic mesh (Abranet Ace HD) in 40, 60, 80 & 120 G increments would actually be kinder to your wrists & about as fast (with 60% greater eccentricity but random as opposed to gear-driven rotation) as a big heavy Rotex.  Approx 60% weight saving & far longer abrasive life, assuming you aren't trying to sand nailheads, etc.  As a long-term Carpal Tunnel Syndrome & arthritis sufferer I personally find the Mirkas to be the gentlest sanders of all for my ageing bones, tendons & nerves.
 
The sander I rented was from Home Depot. I think it was basically a floor buffer that you stick an interface pad on and then the sandpaper disc. The wheel is about 2 feet in circumference and you stand and operate. I start at 24 grit and work my way up. I was in the US military so I’m familiar with running a floor buffer. I can strip and wax an army barracks in 2-4 hours. It’s been a long time since, so I’m just recalling from 40 years ago... Anyhow the rental unit will cut the floor flat level out imperfection, feather edges and save your back and heaps of time. The professional floor sanders are easy to destroy your floor, but I haven’t used one before so I’m only guessing, but they are pretty serious pieces of equipment, that will do damage quickly.
 
mkasdin said:
The professional floor sanders are easy to destroy your floor, but I haven’t used one before so I’m only guessing, but they are pretty serious pieces of equipment, that will do damage quickly.

No, they will not destroy your floor so quickly, unless you're really not being carefull. They have a powerful motor but they also have a large contact area.

As with any sander, you should keep it moving and not stay in one spot too long. I've rented a floor sander twice, and both times I got annoyed over how long it took them to do the job. And then there were still lots of low spots in the old floors that I had to fix with the Rotex.

But that's our Dutch floor sanders of course, I wouldn't be suprised if they came with a V12 in America.  [smile]
 
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