Rumor mill says new Domino on the (far off?) horizon - what would you hope for?

[rmhinden]

I have been reading this thread, what is the actual "rumor" being discussed?  Does anyone have a link or something to quote?

Or is the rumor just this thread 

Bob

 

[ChuckM]

Mr. Speaker,

I'm not familiar with any CNC operation or your stair making process. Could it be possible to cut the mortises with the CNC off-center that matches one of the preset heights on the DF500's board thickness gauge? In this way, every CNC milled mortise could be duplicated on the mating piece by using the DF500 with its fence set at the same preset height.

 

[Mr Speaker]

Could it be possible to cut the mortises with the CNC off-center that matches one of the preset heights on the DF500's board thickness gauge? In this way, every CNC milled mortise could be duplicated on the mating piece by using the DF500 with its fence set at the same preset height.

That is entirely possible, but the the guy assembling it (=me) needs to remember how to orient each piece and he's not that bright. Even worse, I would have to decide which side needs face in or out before using the DF500. Centering the mortises takes care of the issue and we were invited to give a wish list. On the whole I am very pleased with the Domino. Apart from occasional furniture my use of the Domino is slightly beyond what the manual describes.

 

[mino]

That is entirely possible, but the the guy assembling it (=me) needs to remember how to orient each piece and he's not that bright. Even worse, I would have to decide which side needs face in or out before using the DF500. Centering the mortises takes care of the issue and we were invited to give a wish list. On the whole I am very pleased with the Domino. Apart from occasional furniture my use of the Domino is slightly beyond what the manual describes.

A counter-point:
Any time I do anything when dead-center is not required physically, I *intentionally* go sufficiently off-center so that I can easily see which side is which. E.g. using a 16mm or 20mm setting on a 18mm stock is one of those cases. Avoids the need to mark, besides, sheet stock is usually not guaranteeed to be exact-same thickness. It is wood after all.

That said, an ability to calibrate the height setting would not be a bad thing. Those who do not need it can ignore, and those who do can tune "that screw". So as a wish-list, absolutely! This is the same as with the flaps calibration possibility. A killer for some, while a non-concern for others.

 

[ChuckM]

Dead-centering is actually very easy to achieve on a fence-based cutting tool such as the table saw, the router table and even the DF500 (!), subject to the fence's capacity. Norm Abram did that a lot in New Yankee Workshop: Cut or rout the piece, then flip the work, and mill again. The problem with the DF500, of course, you can't use the stock tenons, but need to make your own to suit the "larger" mortises.

The only couple of times that I needed "dead-centered or close to dead-centered" mortises in my work were when I milled 4mm mortises into plywood that was only slightly thicker than 4mm:

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[ChuckM]

Snip. Even worse, I would have to decide which side needs face in or out before using the DF500. Snip.

That is something many of us have to do all the time, regardless of what tool is used or whether centering is needed. In most furniture projects, I need to decide the "best face" based on, for example, wood grain, and mark that one as the reference face, or the opposite of that as the referenece face (depending on what tool or operation is). Marking itself is also a big step of avoiding many unnecessary blunders down the road.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

Marking parts has always been a thing with me.  Jointed and planed faces, grain matching doors/drawer fronts, joinery faces for legs, etc. It's nearly impossible to keep straight without it, and the more parts you have the bigger it gets.

 

[SoonerFan]

I have been reading this thread, what is the actual "rumor" being discussed?  Does anyone have a link or something to quote?

Or is the rumor just this thread 

Bob

First I heard of this “rumor” was this thread.

That said, I think some of the ideas presented would be good to have if the dominos get an upgrade.

 

[Ebuwan]

Either way, definitely do not see the space for a "DF600" style product. The XL sells very little and there would be no point in it when there is already an overlap at the 10 mm end of the spectrum.

You may be right that's what Festool does, but I'll argue that trading off the 4mm and 5mm bit sizes to get a 12mm bit and enable deeper mortises on the 10mm and 12mm bits would make the new tool even more popular. I expect competition when patents expire to cover a larger range with a single tool, so Festool might want to counter that.

They better not get rid of 4mm's, i use those ALL the time for molding

 

[ChuckM]

I just got a new pack of the 4mm tenons this week....

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I probably will keep the DF500 if the DF600 doesn't do 4mm and 5mm mortises, but it must have the capability of milling 10mm mortises (100mm long or longer) and preferably 12mm mortises as well.

 

[squall_line]

I think someone mentioned an option to disable the "wag" and make the Domino into a doweler.  Alternatively, I just thought to myself, "what if Mafell used the expired patent and turned its Duo-doweller into a Duo-domino?" 

With the option to stack them or go side-by-side.

I may or may not be having fever dreams right now and probably shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard... (at least, more than usual).

 

[imdking]

I think someone mentioned an option to disable the "wag" and make the Domino into a doweler.  Alternatively, I just thought to myself, "what if Mafell used the expired patent and turned its Duo-doweller into a Duo-domino?" 

With the option to stack them or go side-by-side.

I may or may not be having fever dreams right now and probably shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard... (at least, more than usual).

:

And by the way, there is no such thing as a DF600!
People just run with off the wall ideas!

 

[luvmytoolz]

I think someone mentioned an option to disable the "wag" and make the Domino into a doweler.  Alternatively, I just thought to myself, "what if Mafell used the expired patent and turned its Duo-doweller into a Duo-domino?" 

With the option to stack them or go side-by-side.

I may or may not be having fever dreams right now and probably shouldn't be allowed near a keyboard... (at least, more than usual).

:

And by the way, there is no such thing as a DF600!
People just run with off the wall ideas!

Exactly right!! So silly, everyone knows it the DF800!

 

[ChuckM]

Wait. 

"And by the way, there is no such thing as a DF600!" is an incomplete sentence.

The complete one reads: And by the way, there is no such thing as a DF600 -- yet! [tongue]

 

[smorgasbord]

I probably will keep the DF500 if the DF600 doesn't do 4mm and 5mm mortises, but it must have the capability of milling 10mm mortises (100mm long or longer) and preferably 12mm mortises as well.

Yeah, here's my proposal in graphical format:
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Just as with socket sets, if you need the smallest or the largest sizes you'll want those tools, but for many of us, I think my proposal covers what we're most likely to need.

 

[Coen]

Meeeeh. With socket sets lots of people start with a big 1/4" + 1/2" set, only later buying the 3/8" set.

 

[ChuckM]

I probably will keep the DF500 if the DF600 doesn't do 4mm and 5mm mortises, but it must have the capability of milling 10mm mortises (100mm long or longer) and preferably 12mm mortises as well.

Yeah, here's my proposal in graphical format:

Just as with socket sets, if you need the smallest or the largest sizes you'll want those tools, but for many of us, I think my proposal covers what we're most likely to need.

Cool diagram. I'd prefer the DF600 to be the same weight as or only very slightly heavier than the DF500. If weight is an issue, I'd accept the 10mm being the largest tenon size because, when push comes to shove, I can make 12mm or larger mortises by resetting the fence height. I don't have ox-powered hands, and the XL is too heavy for my taste...at least not for the number of mortises I typically mill in a project.

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[bwehman]

Meeeeh. With socket sets lots of people start with a big 1/4" + 1/2" set, only later buying the 3/8" set.

Interesting, I feel like most people start with 3/8", then go 1/4", then (if ever) 1/2". ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Scott in San Diego]

I wish for a Baby Domino XS DF400 that only uses the current 4mm and 5mm tenons.  My vision is that it would be more compact and lighter than the DF500.

 

[luvmytoolz]

I wish for a Baby Domino XS DF400 that only uses the current 4mm and 5mm tenons.  My vision is that it would be more compact and lighter than the DF500.

I could actually go that! I'm using heaps of 4mm Dominos on a bunch of architraves atm, a solid 45 degree add-on base would also be great for box construction. Yes I know you can adjust the fence to suit, but after using the solid 45 degree base on my ELU biscuit joiner it's so damn handy.