Sander starts dust extractor when it is not turned on

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Hi,

I have an ets ec 150/5. The problem is when I plug the sander into my dust extractor, the dust extractor starts up even though the sander is off. I have a makita dust extractor. I tried calling service, but they told me they would not guarantee that a festool sander works with a makita dust extractor. Does anyone else have this problem?

Thanks
 
Welcome to the FOG :)

That does not sound right. What happens when you plug a different tool in and turn it on? Try an incandescent light bulb too.

Edit: Do you have a buddy nearby with a Festool dust collector to see if it does the same thing?

I probably can't help much past those suggestions.
 
[member=76643]wapatowoodworking[/member] Does it just briefly start up and then stop? If it's doing that it is not that uncommon. The electronics in some of the tool activated vacs seems to be super sensitive. I have a FLEX vacuum that is basically a rebranded Nilfisk Attix. As I recall Makita uses the same model for some of their line.

Mine occasionally does the start up then shut off when plugging in.

Ron
 
The DC starts and runs non stop as soon as the sander is plugged in. I tried other tools and they don't start the DC until the tool is activated. I was on the phone with Festool tech support again, they told me the tool draws some current when its not turned on in order to power the data recording chip.
 
wapatowoodworking said:
The DC starts and runs non stop as soon as the sander is plugged in. I tried other tools and they don't start the DC until the tool is activated. I was on the phone with Festool tech support again, they told me the tool draws some current when its not turned on in order to power the data recording chip.

I just don't see how that will consume enough to activate load sensing power up of the vac.  A well designed control circuit should require a minimum load well in excess of the draw of a logging IC embedded in a tool like the sander in question.  You could use a multimeter to check what the current draw is from the sander when connected to see how much its load is, then get back to Festool and Makita looking for answers.  Or take the Makita to a Festool dealer, with your sander, and ask can they check another sander to see if it does the same thing.  But it just shouldn't happen, unless there's a fault with the sander, a fault with the Makita or just a crappy design on that Makita in the first place.
 
Paul_HKI said:
wapatowoodworking said:
The DC starts and runs non stop as soon as the sander is plugged in. I tried other tools and they don't start the DC until the tool is activated. I was on the phone with Festool tech support again, they told me the tool draws some current when its not turned on in order to power the data recording chip.

I just don't see how that will consume enough to activate load sensing power up of the vac.  A well designed control circuit should require a minimum load well in excess of the draw of a logging IC embedded in a tool like the sander in question.  You could use a multimeter to check what the current draw is from the sander when connected to see how much its load is, then get back to Festool and Makita looking for answers.  Or take the Makita to a Festool dealer, with your sander, and ask can they check another sander to see if it does the same thing.  But it just shouldn't happen, unless there's a fault with the sander, a fault with the Makita or just a crappy design on that Makita in the first place.

thanks for sharing your opinions on control circuits and makita products.

 
My ‘opinion’ is intended to point you towards the cause of the issue you’re encountering. 

Thanks for sharing your problem and ignoring the pointers towards resolving it, or establishing an understanding of why it may not be possible to resolve it with the vac you have.

You’re welcome.
 
Paul_HKI said:
My ‘opinion’ is intended to point you towards the cause of the issue you’re encountering. 

Thanks for sharing your problem and ignoring the pointers towards resolving it, or establishing your an understanding of why it may not be possible to resolve it with the vac you have.

You’re welcome.

nothing has been ignored. the only question i asked was "does anyone else have this problem?" you didnt suggest anything that was useful and it actually is possible to resolve it with the vac i have. I didn't ask for your opinion about control circuits or makita quality.  i didnt actually ask for help resolving the problem, although i appreciate the comments from people who left their biased personal opinions out of it. really though its been a complete waste of time posting here. i called festool tech support and they told me that yes, its been reported before that some non-festool products are triggered by this data recording chip "feature". ive already lost a whole day dealing with this sander and im not investing any more in it. ive personally experienced the slipping fence on the domino and a kapex that left tearout on one side of the cut, even after multiple blades and sending the tool in for warranty repair. personally i've had mostly bad experiences with festool. all my makita equipment works flawlessly. i didnt come here to trash festool but i also dont have any praise for them either. i guess that triggers you. 

 
wapatowoodworking said:
Paul_HKI said:
My ‘opinion’ is intended to point you towards the cause of the issue you’re encountering. 

Thanks for sharing your problem and ignoring the pointers towards resolving it, or establishing your an understanding of why it may not be possible to resolve it with the vac you have.

You’re welcome.

nothing has been ignored. the only question i asked was "does anyone else have this problem?" you didnt suggest anything that was useful and it actually is possible to resolve it with the vac i have. I didn't ask for your opinion about control circuits or makita quality.  i didnt actually ask for help resolving the problem, although i appreciate the comments from people who left their biased personal opinions out of it. really though its been a complete waste of time posting here. i called festool tech support and they told me that yes, its been reported before that some non-festool products are triggered by this data recording chip "feature". ive already lost a whole day dealing with this sander and im not investing any more in it. ive personally experienced the slipping fence on the domino and a kapex that left tearout on one side of the cut, even after multiple blades and sending the tool in for warranty repair. personally i've had mostly bad experiences with festool. all my makita equipment works flawlessly. i didnt come here to trash festool but i also dont have any praise for them either. i guess that triggers you.

So, you want to know if others have had the same problem as you have with an unifentified Makita vac, but that’s all you want?  Apart from a chance to complain, while ignoring some SIMPLE troubleshooting steps you could take. Well, okay then. 

The amusing part for me is that you’ll be annoyed about this and probably even more-so when you realise that Makita could be Nilfisk, Bosch, Fein, could even be a Festool CT and you could have the same issue present requiring the same steps to be taken to get the problem resolved.  I have Makita tools also.  I like them.  So that ‘triggered’ nonsense is exactly that.

You can either expect miracles and magic 8 ball diagnosis/root cause over the phone with two different manufacturers representatives, or you can help yourself by doing something more than asking if people on the internet have the same experience you do, while two people play tech-support tennis with you, or you spend a few minutes looking at a meter and ask Festool to check with engineering if the resting current draw is within spec while also asking Makita to check if there’s a minimum load to fire up the unidentified unit you own and which is reportedly misbehaving.

People on the internet and on the phone can’t do that.  They can’t fix your problem, whether here, on a Makita forum or at a company’s tech support line.

And if all of that is beyond you, just put the kit in your car/truck/van and go to someone who can.  If you’ve wasted a day with this, it isn’t going to fix itself by doing the same thing.  And if you go someplace to share your problem, the one you can’t get your head around, don’t be an ass when someone who knows more than you do suggests, recommends or opines about what steps should be taken and the reasons why.

 
everything you've said is an assumption and or misread of the whole thread/post. I didn't ask for anything that you've offered. I dont have the necessary equipment to test resting current draw on the tool. i dont care to spend my time troubleshooting a day old tool that i can simply return. i could care less how much you know. why do you feel the need to bombard me with your arrogant drivel? what is your problem anyway?
 
to be honest i dont think i have run it long enough to see if it is going to quit intermittently. my problem is that its triggering my DC auto start when the sander is not running.
 
I have that problem with a Mirka sander and Makita (Nilfisk) extractor. My Festool sander, ETS 150, doesn't trigger it.
The vac starts up, then goes off after a couple of seconds, when first connecting the sander. Acts normally after that.
Not sure if it happens with my Festool CT26, will check it out.
 
Lincoln said:
I have that problem with a Mirka sander and Makita (Nilfisk) extractor. My Festool sander, ETS 150, doesn't trigger it.
The vac starts up, then goes off after a couple of seconds, when first connecting the sander. Acts normally after that.
Not sure if it happens with my Festool CT26, will check it out.

Which mirka sander do you have that problem with? I purchased the 650cv after talking to mirka tech support as a replacement. they assured me that their sanders do not have a current draw when plugged on but not turned on. I have the vc4210l dust extractor. i dont know if its a rebranded nilfisk. i see people mentioning that but dont know how to verify.
 
This is the reason it's so important to supply all of the pertinent information when you're questioning people that may be thousands of miles away from you when you're looking for a solution. The details DO MATTER. The more background information you supply for a problem, the better the results.
 
wapatowoodworking said:
they told me the tool draws some current when its not turned on in order to power the data recording chip.

ROFL, a data recording chip inside a sander. What is so important about a sander it needs to record data? Even when it is turned off? That's why I loathe how Festool puts more and more electronics inside their tools. Absolutely not neccessary and only creating problems. If the sander is turned off it should draw zero current.

I tell you people, one day a Festool sander is so smart with all the chips inside, when you try to turn it on it says "Not now honey, I've got a headache".

Sorry OP, can't help you, just taking a stab at engineers putting useless electronics in everything they can and creating problems that actually diminish a tools usefulness. If Festool made toiletpaper they'd try to put a chip in it. For logging purposes.
 
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