Carl Prentiss
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What about the well-designed blade guard/splitter with anti-kickback pawls and instructional owner's manual?Kev said:I'll also maintain from my previous rants that the saw stop mechanism only protects people from what are essentially unsafe table saw usage methods anyway. Unsuspected kickback and flying offcuts are the real danger to people that do observe proper table saw safety and the Sawstop does NOTHING to deal with these issues ... what it does do is potentially lull the user into thinking they are "safe" ... so very wrong.
Chris Wong said:What about the well-designed blade guard/splitter with anti-kickback pawls and instructional owner's manual?Kev said:I'll also maintain from my previous rants that the saw stop mechanism only protects people from what are essentially unsafe table saw usage methods anyway. Unsuspected kickback and flying offcuts are the real danger to people that do observe proper table saw safety and the Sawstop does NOTHING to deal with these issues ... what it does do is potentially lull the user into thinking they are "safe" ... so very wrong.
wrightwoodwork said:Honestly I don't think sawstop is really interested in the workers saftey it's all about making money through law suits if anyone comes up with thier own saftey device. Must admit I won't be funding them.
Kev said:I'll also maintain from my previous rants that the saw stop mechanism only protects people from what are essentially unsafe table saw usage methods anyway. Unsuspected kickback and flying offcuts are the real danger to people that do observe proper table saw safety and the Sawstop does NOTHING to deal with these issues ... what it does do is potentially lull the user into thinking they are "safe" ... so very wrong.
benwheeler said:Hilarious thread.. No-one's getting upset about Festool not sharing around their many patents before they expire, I notice. Since when is it news for a company to vigorously defend what it perceives as a patent infringement? To me, Sawstop and Festool are peas in a pod; both selling high quality, innovative tools at a premium, and both copping flack from those who don't see their value. And neither of them is a charity.
jonny round boy said:benwheeler said:Hilarious thread.. No-one's getting upset about Festool not sharing around their many patents before they expire, I notice. Since when is it news for a company to vigorously defend what it perceives as a patent infringement? To me, Sawstop and Festool are peas in a pod; both selling high quality, innovative tools at a premium, and both copping flack from those who don't see their value. And neither of them is a charity.
That's true to an extent, but Steve Gass tells the world he's only doing it to improve safety & not for the money, which is blatantly untrue.
And re the patent infringement, Bosch's system works differently (and, in my eyes, better) and although I'm no expert on US patents and law, I'd bet that Bosch isn't infringing on his patents, it's just him throwing his toys out of the pram because someone's made something better & he wants a slice of the pie...
benwheeler said:Hilarious thread.. No-one's getting upset about Festool not sharing around their many patents before they expire, I notice.
Alex said:When Vovlo invented the seat belt they let everybody use their technology freely because they thought public safety was much more important than their short term financial interest.
Now Tesla Cars made all their technology free to use to make sure electric cars can mature quicker and an infrastructure to support them can be created.
But not Stephen Gass , he calls patents the corner stone of American innovation, but is doing nothing but stopping innovation on this important safety feature. By keeping the saw intact, Bosch has already improved on the concept, making them cheaper and thus more available and thus creating a situation that can only lead to increased use of this type of saws.
mf44 said:I'd urge many to consider this article from Bloomberg, from a number of years ago. I think it discusses both sides of this issue rather well, and lays out the efforts Gass and other companies have put into this entire ordeal.
For eight years, Gass has lobbied the U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission to require all table saws sold in the U.S. to be equipped with SawStop or a similar safety device.
Alex said:Not true, sure kickback is the biggest danger, but when that piece of wood goes flying lots of unexpected things can happen. There are many documented accidents where kickback caused the hand or arm to be pulled into the blade.
Safe practice makes a lot of difference, but not ALL the difference.