SawStop sues Bosch
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deepcreek said:
Money first, the safety of human beings at best second is exactly why I loathe low life creatures such as Gass. I find the greed in this matter utterly repugnant and I don't care how many sob stories people post about how legitimate his legal standing may be on the matter. I'll never do one thing to add to his financial position positively. The Saw Stop itself may well be a quality product ... glad the people that are lining this unethical creature's pockets are getting something out of it.
This poster ...
http://sawdustmaking.com/Table Saws/TSposter.pdf
... if printed and understood by a table saw operator would have 100 times more benefit in terms of safety over the saw stop mechanism and the poster is FREE !!!
I really don't buy into the people (I'm sad if they've injured themselves, but accident typically happen for a reason) that use the excuse that a lapse in concentration is a great reason to have a saw stop. DON"T operate a table saw if you are not 100% focused and in the moment.
To be clear about the message I'm making here, I'm no suggesting that you shouldn't buy a saw with an extra safety feature ... but the biggest safety mechanism anyone has is in their head.
Thanks for the link, Tim Raleigh. That is good article. High on legal content but has good information. It's only an initial battle but I wish it had gone the other way.
My key complaint against Gass is his greed. His proposed license fees and absolution of risk is why nobody licensed his technology. His lawsuit is jut another indication of his greed. For me, his claims in the Ryobi lawsuit are the most clear cut example of his extreme greed. That injury was all about bad decisions by the user and zero percent the design of the saw. But Gass testified the opposite and the jury did what juries do.
Steve Gass is not doing anything illegal but I think his actions are immoral. He doesn't have to make his technology cheap but it is immoral in my mind to put an extremely high price on it and then try and get the government to force it on us. That is right u there with buying a drug company and then raising the price of the drugs by 1000%.
I still think Bosch will ultimately prevail. The initial fight was a cheap one. It does not preclude a full scale court case. But it does block Bosch for now. In the U. S..
I've never used an euro slider and I am sure I would like them if I did. But I don't think they are equivalent in safety. You don't need to get your hands close to the blade with a conventional saw too. And I see no reason you couldn't go brain dead and hang a finger over the edge of your slider or something. Or reach for an offcut with the blade spinning. I think they are probably safer than conventional saws but I also think of the "paint the red line" comments about my little saw, a Ryobi 3100. It comes with a little cheaply made sliding table. It can be adjusted in ways the euro sliders probably can't but it allows you to put the crosscut fence in the path of the blade. So many of us painted a red line for the blade path extended on the infeed table as a reminder. My point is just that it's easy to underestimate stupidity. My only injuries from power tools were from stupidity. I am confident it's possible to be stupid enough to get hurt on a euroslider.
With a sawstop, you can get hurt but not as badly as without it. I wish it was available inexpensively and on my tools. But that isn't in the forseeable future. Maybe if Bosch wins. But if it costs them a lot, they may stay at a pretty high price too. Gass doesn't have to ultimately prevail if he makes Bosch spend a bunch of money. That will still deter others and will be a factor in how Bosch prices their tools. He knows all this. He isn't stupid, just greedy.
My key complaint against Gass is his greed. His proposed license fees and absolution of risk is why nobody licensed his technology. His lawsuit is jut another indication of his greed. For me, his claims in the Ryobi lawsuit are the most clear cut example of his extreme greed. That injury was all about bad decisions by the user and zero percent the design of the saw. But Gass testified the opposite and the jury did what juries do.
Steve Gass is not doing anything illegal but I think his actions are immoral. He doesn't have to make his technology cheap but it is immoral in my mind to put an extremely high price on it and then try and get the government to force it on us. That is right u there with buying a drug company and then raising the price of the drugs by 1000%.
I still think Bosch will ultimately prevail. The initial fight was a cheap one. It does not preclude a full scale court case. But it does block Bosch for now. In the U. S..
I've never used an euro slider and I am sure I would like them if I did. But I don't think they are equivalent in safety. You don't need to get your hands close to the blade with a conventional saw too. And I see no reason you couldn't go brain dead and hang a finger over the edge of your slider or something. Or reach for an offcut with the blade spinning. I think they are probably safer than conventional saws but I also think of the "paint the red line" comments about my little saw, a Ryobi 3100. It comes with a little cheaply made sliding table. It can be adjusted in ways the euro sliders probably can't but it allows you to put the crosscut fence in the path of the blade. So many of us painted a red line for the blade path extended on the infeed table as a reminder. My point is just that it's easy to underestimate stupidity. My only injuries from power tools were from stupidity. I am confident it's possible to be stupid enough to get hurt on a euroslider.
With a sawstop, you can get hurt but not as badly as without it. I wish it was available inexpensively and on my tools. But that isn't in the forseeable future. Maybe if Bosch wins. But if it costs them a lot, they may stay at a pretty high price too. Gass doesn't have to ultimately prevail if he makes Bosch spend a bunch of money. That will still deter others and will be a factor in how Bosch prices their tools. He knows all this. He isn't stupid, just greedy.
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