Seeking feedback & suggestions in order to deal with a BIG GOOF that I just made

[Frank Pellow]

One of my many current projects is making a lamp (as described in the thead:  http://festoolownersgroup.com/member-projects/oak-floor-lamp-with-stained-glass-shade-build-thread/ )

About an hour ago, I finished routing and chiseling the rabbets into which the glass pieces for the shade are to be inserted.

I did a good job on the rabbets, BUT I placed then on the outside rather the inside of the frames.

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The screwed up oak frames are towards the top of the photo. The properly built pine experimental frame is at the bottom. The glass is supposed to be held in place inside the wooden frame pieces with small strips of 1/4 round.

What to do?

1) I could make new frames, but that would take at least 6 hours.

2) I could make some molding such as the sample shown in these two pictures.

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That would take an hour or two but might make the lamp look "funny".

3) I could follow some other suggestion made by you.

Please respond ASAP becuase I want to get back to this project tommorow.

 

[GhostFist]

how deep is the rebate?? what about some small quarter round to catch the glass? Or similar such trim, a bevel might be nice. Do you need to cap that whole front face?

 

[Frank Pellow]

The rabbet is 7 mm wide (about 1/3 the width of the frame) and 1 cm deep. 

I dont think that I would like to see obvious trim such a quarter round on the front of the lamp frame.

 

[GhostFist]

Some ebonized square stock as a stop might make a nice contrast otherwise your refacing idea is probably your only other solution.

 

[Frank Pellow]

Some ebonized square stock as a stop might make a nice contrast otherwise your refacing idea is probably your only other solution.

Thanks I will think about that.  It might look good.

 

[harry_]

I though I heard someone screaming earlier, but couldn't place it. Now I know.  [poke]

 

[GhostFist]

it happens to everyon i'm sure. but overcoming these little goofs can be a blessing sometimes and you come out with something looking great! good luck and pics of whatever solution you decide please.

 

[Jay Knoll]

Frank

Fill the rabbet with a thin piece of wood and then put a then veneer over the entire face so you don't have to deal with the glue line.  Rabbet the proper side.

Or do it over, the fix might take just as long.

Don't try to "make do" on this project, IMO.

Jay

 

[Frank Pellow]

Thanks for the timely and thoughtful feedback guys.

Jay, I quite like your suggestion but, as you say, it might take just as long a remaking the frames.

I am considering the suggestion of a walnut inset to hold the glass. I even went to the bother of simulating how it would look:

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I will sleep thinking about the various options and decide what to do in the morning.

 

[GhostFist]

is it possible to reduce the thickness of the stop any yet still hold the glass firmly? maybe a slight round over to break the sharp edge, like 1/8th max. Again just throwing stuff out there, but sleeping on it is a good idea. i find it helps sometimes to just walk away for the night when you're stuck on something.

 

[harry_]

Frank,

2 ideas:

1).  would there be enough stock remaining if you just re-beveled the frame, granted it would reduce the overall size.
2). What if you fabricated an 'astrigal' to join the frame segments together using your now `reversed` frames. Maybe using a darker wood as an accent to the vertical corners?

 

[Sparktrician]

Frank,
    What about using a very narrow bead of clear silicone to hold the glass in as is, and just leave it so that the finished edge of the glass shows as a "feature"? 

[smile]

 

[Frank Pellow]

Frank,
     What about using a very narrow bead of clear silicone to hold the glass in as is, and just leave it so that the finished edge of the glass shows as a "feature"? 

[smile]

In some furniture that would work, but not in this lamp.

 

[Guy Ashley]

Frank

At the end of the day, if you do any fix other than what you intended to do but cocked up you will always look at it and think "Its ok but I goofed"

I have put half a rainforest in my woodburner over the years through "oops moments" and in the end you spend more time thinking up methods of how to get round it, and they are usually more time consuming and costly in time than just biting the bullet and doing it again.

Its a pain but believe me you will never be happy with it being just so!

 

[tiralie]

At the end of the day, if you do any fix other than what you intended to do but cocked up you will always look at it and think "Its ok but I goofed"

Ya, I agree with Guy here.
I think your stained glass (not to mention your wife) deserves the best anyway.
If it's any consolation, everything turns out better the second time around.
Good luck with what ever you decide.
Tim

 

[CDM]

I think re-doing the frames with the rabbet on the proper side would be best.

 

[woodwrights_corner]

Frank,

I've looked at the other work you have posted on this site.  My vote is you are going to laugh off this mistake and make another from scratch.

But, as my father always told me--"Just do what you think is right."  Arrgh, I hated when he said that.

Dave

 

[Frank Pellow]

Matt Mackinnon on the Canadian Woodworking forum  suggested something that  triggered an idea for another fix.  This one, I plan to try for real.  If the result does not work, I will start over again.

I much prefer a solution to the problem that means the glass will be inserted into the interior of the frame and this is one of few such solutions.

I simulated this solution using a couple of my test pine frames.

Here is what I will do:

1) Cut bevels on the opposite sides of all four frames. This will leave a V shaped groove at all the edges:

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2) Cut small pieces of walnut trim to fit into the grooves:

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3) Glue the strips into the grooves:

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I obtained lots of good advice about this problem on three different woodworking forums (here, Family Woodworking, and Canadian Woodworking) and I thank everyone who responded to my cry for help. You folks are great! [thumbs up]

 

[harry_]

Basically my #2 suggestion above. Hope it works out for you!

 

[GhostFist]

i like that