Shhhhh! Sawstop will release new portable jobsite table saw shortly!!

[Paul G]

Fascinating what gets folks all bound up. Memories of the Milwaukee patent thread.

 

[grbmds]

Doesn't sound like any of you are convincing each other . . . .  [wink]

 

[junk731]

"Finding one single activation that may have been caused by some error is NOT a trend, and it would be disingenuous to allude that they are "common". "

Cheers,
Frank

It's OK to to stay in your world and believe what you want, do your research, that is one of approx 50 different threads I've read talking about misfires and the related problems. If you don't want to believe that's OK too, don't really care just don't spread propaganda it just undermines everything you have to say.

John

 

[andvari]

Force away, I will buy up all those unsafe cast iron table saws for nickles.  Settle for less, because it's safer.

I've viewed your restoration posts for several years here with a lot of interest. I'm a hobbyist so I don't have the need for something with with the scale of these sorts of machines but I've always found heavy equipment interesting. Before I retired I had a career as an engineer, and part of that was spent in a really large scale manufacturing facility that had some massive capabilities. I remember in particular a giant turret lathe used to build rotary kilns and to service the in-plant railroad.

This place was really old too - originally founded around 1860, and because of that it had a lot of safety issues. Every year I was there there were serious accidents. Once even a death. The plant even had it's own ambulance.

I always had a fear of something like that happening in my area of responsibility. I knew the families of most of the men I supervised. I'd see them at company outings. Or Christmas parties. Or being dropped off at work.

It's one thing when it's something you personally are doing and another in a company environment.

I have no respect at all for people who disregard safety in favor of production.

 

[andvari]

that is one of approx 50 different threads I've read talking about misfires and the related problems.

You do know that there have been thousands of these saws sold, right? 50 is a insignificant number in comparison.

 

[junk731]

that is one of approx 50 different threads I've read talking about misfires and the related problems.

You do know that there have been thousands of these saws sold, right? 50 is a insignificant number in comparison.

Retired Engineer, I would have never guessed and I honestly don't think Darcy would have ever guessed either. You are totally right, as are most of the engineers I've ever met, the discussions I've read are obviously from totally satisfied customers that are just explaining the great joy they are having with their saws randomly misfiring for no reason. I can just in vision the big smiles as they wait for the free replacement mechanism and blade. You guys really are a piece of work LOL.

John

 

[AlexThePalex]

John, will you please tone it down a bit? You're going overboard here, becomming borderline offensive, and that tells more about you than about anybody else.

Keep it in perspective please, I'm sure you're right about those 50 threads you've read, but on 50.000 saws sold such a number is and remains insignificant. That's a number that boils down to 1 in 1000, or 1 per mille. That's a very low number and most certainly not representative of the total.

With anything you can do, or buy, there's always a percentage of people that will be unsatisfied. I'm sure that if you would hand out 50.000 bars of gold, 50 people will find a way to be unhappy about it.

 

[Wooden Skye]

John, will you please tone it down a bit? You're going overboard here, becomming borderline offensive, and that tells more about you than about anybody else.

Keep it in perspective please, I'm sure you're right about those 50 threads you've read, but on 50.000 saws sold such a number is and remains insignificant. That's a number that boils down to 1 in 1000, or 1 per mille. That's a very low number and most certainly not representative of the total.

With anything you can do, or buy, there's always a percentage of people that will be unsatisfied. I'm sure that if you would hand out 50.000 bars of gold, 50 people will find a way to be unhappy about it.

Alex,

Well said  [thumbs up]

 

[Paul G]

Godwin had his theory on Internet usage, we'll have to come up with one for SawStop threads getting heated. It's not a matter of if, but when.

I might suggest Festool switch entirely to inches just to tone it down a bit  [big grin]

 

[Stephen B]

Godwin had his theory on Internet usage, we'll have to come up with one for SawStop threads getting heated. It's not a matter of if, but when.

I might suggest Festool switch entirely to inches just to tone it down a bit  [big grin]

[size=14pt]
Well Paul as you satirically observe [smile], that is two debates now that probably will never be resolved on the FOG.

It is obvious that the SawStop debate will not be resolved here, you either like them or you don't. The debate has almost become Political!

I know some tradies that will never be convinced about Festool. That does not consequently make them bad people or poor tradespersons.

Now Paul, let's talk about the merits of the metric system! [size=24pt]
You go first!  [smile] [scared]  [eek]

 

[Paul G]

Godwin had his theory on Internet usage, we'll have to come up with one for SawStop threads getting heated. It's not a matter of if, but when.

I might suggest Festool switch entirely to inches just to tone it down a bit  [big grin]

[size=14pt]
Well Paul as you satirically observe [smile], that is two debates now that probably will never be resolved on the FOG.

It is obvious that the SawStop debate will not be resolved here, you either like them or you don't. The debate has almost become Political!

I know some tradies that will never be convinced about Festool. That does not consequently make them bad people or poor tradespersons.

Now Paul, let's talk about the merits of the metric system! [size=24pt]
You go first!  [smile] [scared]  [eek]

I think we need to have a pint on that...or is that 0.47 L (or .56L in the UK)...I'm already confused...time for another pint  [big grin]

 

[Kev]

My solution is multiple 330ml Little Creatures Pale Ales. May just get a SawStop to use as a bar ... they're certainly a talking point [wink]

 

[Kev]

Safe practice, a blade guard, safety glasses and a push stick makes you a thousand times safer than ignorance and a saw stop ... but who cares huh?

Sure, I wouldn't to be mandated into buying a particular type of tool either, but that being said, can't you use safe technique *and* have a tool that increases your safety?

It's sheer arrogance to state that you can't have a workshop accident no matter how careful you are. Trip, fall, sneeze, get dust in your eyes, whatever, getting hurt on occasion is just part and parcel of being human. There's NO logical rebuttal to that!

Logical rebuttal ... ?

I've never in ANY post objected to people choosing to buy equipment that offers additional "safety" features no matter how they relate to safe practice. Neither have I expressed negative opinions towards products / equipment because they offer additional features.

Arrogance ... ?

That's insulting - I have an opinion that safety starts with education and mandating technology is a political mechanism to make profit - simply stealing from the poor. Is it now arrogant to have an opinion?

Are people blind to the fact that a saw stop doesn't make you safe - it just protects you from one form of stupid (be it a stupid accident, but I think leaving the blade guard off and sneezing in a way that bobs your head into a spinning table saw blade = Darwin Award!)

I don't give a blind Freddy if everyone buys saw stop in north america because they want to wave their fingers about next to the blade and want to "buy safety" - just don't sue saw brand X because you stuck your hand in the blade and it didn't magically stop ... and don't mandate a very poor substitute for education. [mad]

Do you really want to debate whether having your hands two feet away from a spinning blade using a push stick is less safe than a saw stop????

It really is a world gone mad!

Plus for the record I'd like to go down as having looked at a saw stop and decided I simply dislike the cabinet saw (blade in a box) design and much prefer a euro slider for what I consider my safe saw technique. I would also point out that an outrigger slider on a cabinet saw doesn't instantly make a cabinet saw a true slider.

 

[Stephen B]

Godwin had his theory on Internet usage, we'll have to come up with one for SawStop threads getting heated. It's not a matter of if, but when.

I might suggest Festool switch entirely to inches just to tone it down a bit  [big grin]

[size=14pt]
Well Paul as you satirically observe [smile], that is two debates now that probably will never be resolved on the FOG.

It is obvious that the SawStop debate will not be resolved here, you either like them or you don't. The debate has almost become Political!

I know some tradies that will never be convinced about Festool. That does not consequently make them bad people or poor tradespersons.

Now Paul, let's talk about the merits of the metric system! [size=24pt]
You go first!  [smile] [scared]  [eek]

I think we need to have a pint on that...or is that 0.47 L (or .56L in the UK)...I'm already confused...time for another pint  [big grin]

[size=14pt]
This Paul -
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Or
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Or this
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All brewed at a micro about 40 mins from me.
http://www.pricklymoses.com.au/beer/otway-light

 

[Paul G]

My solution is multiple 330ml Little Creatures Pale Ales. May just get a SawStop to use as a bar ... they're certainly a talking point [wink]

[big grin] can we treat it with surfix?

Untidy Shop, do they offer a stout? One of my favorites is from a local brewpub, better than Guinness by my tastes, unfortunately it sells out often. http://www.rivercitybrewing.net

Funny how beer can make anything better.

EDIT: found the stout at the prickly moses site, is it any good?

 

[semenza]

The debate / discussion of the merits of SawStop will go round forever, and only serve to aggravate both sides. How about we just drop it and .................... compare micro brew finds.  [popcorn]

Seth

 

[Paul G]

The debate / discussion of the merits of SawStop will go round forever, and only serve to aggravate both sides. How about we just drop it and .................... compare micro brew finds.  [popcorn]

Seth

I had an IPA that was a misfire, maybe next time I should use a push stick. [poke]

 

[greg mann]

The debate / discussion of the merits of SawStop will go round forever, and only serve to aggravate both sides. How about we just drop it and .................... compare micro brew finds.  [popcorn]

Seth

Sure, comparing MicroBrews shouldn't surface any differences of opinion. :

 

[Ivanhoe]

not a microbrew but this is my latest choice after some wood working:

 

[semenza]

not a microbrew but this is my latest choice after some wood working:

The original Pilsner I believe?

Seth