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Tinker said:
Stephen B said:
Monty, our shy Australian Kelpy/Whippet X.

This is was a common cross for poaching in Australia, the eyes and intelligence of the Kelpy, the speed of the whippet. However he is just a much loved pet.
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OMG, Those eyes remind me of a long gone school teacher i once knew.  She was actually a very good friend of the family, but she was a very strict, but very fair, teacher.  i never got to be in any of her classes as she taught high school and i only went thru the 8th grade before moving away.  it was a small school, so everybody knew everybody else.  i was pretty well know as being in fairly constant trouble and a problem for most of my teachers.

I would get into fights, whether inside, or out on the playground.  Due to difference in space and schedule, Mrs. K never got to me when i was outside and stirring up trouble.  She did, however, catch me quite often wen i was promoting an inside scuffle.  I would be well into a commotion when, all of a sudden, i would hear from behind, "That will do TINK."

All activity would immediately cease.  usually, the other person would suddenly be gone.  BUT, I would be left standing, feeling totally naked, in front of THE STARE.  I would try to dig a hole right into the floor as THE STARE continued to bore right thru me.  The woman never said another word.  When i was finally melted and nothing but a blob, she would finally turn around and walk away.  I was done for the day. A total mess.

Other teachers would just send me to the principal's office.  Mrs. K never felt that need.

Once i had moved away from my Uncle's farm, i still went back nearly every weekend i could.  I often, under less troublesome and authoritative circumstances, stop to visit with Mrs. K and her family.  she was really a lot of fun and had a laugh you could hear five miles away.  BUT, those eyes.  OMG, i can never forget.

Oh, BTW, does your dog rule?  [unsure]
Tinker
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No, but he very open to 'bribery and corruption', ie. treats.

Your teacher story reminded me of my mothers advice to me as a young teacher graduate. She was a teacher and said to place a picture of the Queen above the classroom chalkboard. She listened to my protests of being a republican # and that teaching theory was moving away from 'chalk and talk' and then said, "Stephen, if the picture frame has reflective glass it is a teachers third eye!"

Did your teacher use the three Cs? 'Clear, Calm and Consistent'.

# Australian Republicans are different to those in the US.
Republicans in Australia desire an end to the role of the British monarchy in our  Parliamentary system and consist of people across the political spectrum from left to right.

 
Tinker said:
What some do for their pets?
I had never heard of that esophogus problem.  glad it was diagnosed properly. Ingenious feeding solution.
The last two years we had our Maggie, we spent more at the vet than for both my wife and me for our own MD's

This winter, or daughter was visiting when she noticed her "baby" 100# Yellow Lab was not acting right.  It was late at nite, but she decided not to wait til morrning to find a vet.  she found one about 30 miles away and rushed him there.  They told her the dogs stomach had flipped.
They operated immediately.  They had to unsnarl the stomach and then sew it in place somehow so it would not move again. 
Along with epilepsy and dislocated shoulder and the emergency op, I think she has spent more on her dog than her car.

But, the dog is happy and still playful.
Tinker
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Glad she picked up on the signs and didn't wait!  Funny thing is this is my second golden and until these issues surfaced, I never really realized how expressive dogs are.  They speak volumes through their body language, but sometimes we're just too hung up on vocal communication to understand.  Once we figured out Chili needed to be fed vertically, there were other nuances in the feeding routine that still needed to be worked out.  The vets I've found are textbook smart, but not much more.  We struggled for 5 months with random regurg cycles and only after each cycle did I go back and think about his behavior and expressions.  He will never say no to food (which is what makes this so tricky), but his face and posture was telling me all along when he was having trouble.  Sometimes his behavior as well.  Now that I'm listening I'm able to almost completely eliminate the regurg cycles.  He can definitely talk...the issue is is there anyone listening! 

Two weeks ago we left him for the first time in 2 years.  I found an older woman that works in my vets office that was willing to petsit/housesit.  I showed her the routine and all his body language (head posture, ears, eyes) and what to do when he's having trouble with is food.  I handed her the food bowl and let her finish the second half of the feeding and she picked up on everything beautifully!  We were nervous and checked in daily to see how he was doing...thankfully it worked out great! 
 
Stephen B said:
Tinker said:
Stephen B said:
Monty, our shy Australian Kelpy/Whippet X.

This is was a common cross for poaching in Australia, the eyes and intelligence of the Kelpy, the speed of the whippet. However he is just a much loved pet.
Click to expand...

OMG, Those eyes remind me of a long gone school teacher i once knew.  She was actually a very good friend of the family, but she was a very strict, but very fair, teacher.  i never got to be in any of her classes as she taught high school and i only went thru the 8th grade before moving away.  it was a small school, so everybody knew everybody else.  i was pretty well know as being in fairly constant trouble and a problem for most of my teachers.

I would get into fights, whether inside, or out on the playground.  Due to difference in space and schedule, Mrs. K never got to me when i was outside and stirring up trouble.  She did, however, catch me quite often wen i was promoting an inside scuffle.  I would be well into a commotion when, all of a sudden, i would hear from behind, "That will do TINK."

All activity would immediately cease.  usually, the other person would suddenly be gone.  BUT, I would be left standing, feeling totally naked, in front of THE STARE.  I would try to dig a hole right into the floor as THE STARE continued to bore right thru me.  The woman never said another word.  When i was finally melted and nothing but a blob, she would finally turn around and walk away.  I was done for the day. A total mess.

Other teachers would just send me to the principal's office.  Mrs. K never felt that need.

Once i had moved away from my Uncle's farm, i still went back nearly every weekend i could.  I often, under less troublesome and authoritative circumstances, stop to visit with Mrs. K and her family.  she was really a lot of fun and had a laugh you could hear five miles away.  BUT, those eyes.  OMG, i can never forget.

Oh, BTW, does your dog rule?  [unsure]
Tinker
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No, but he very open to 'bribery and corruption', ie. treats.

Your teacher story reminded me of my mothers advice to me as a young teacher graduate. She was a teacher and said to place a picture of the Queen above the classroom chalkboard. She listened to my protests of being a republican # and that teaching theory was moving away from 'chalk and talk' and then said, "Stephen, if the picture frame has reflective glass it is a teachers third eye!"

Did your teacher use the three Cs? 'Clear, Calm and Consistent'.


# Australian Republicans are different to those in the US.
Republicans in Australia desire an end to the role of the British monarchy in our  Parliamentary system and consist of people across the political spectrum from left to right.
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To the question:  Absolutely.  That's what made her so tough. 
Tinker
 
RKA said:
Tinker said:
What some do for their pets?
I had never heard of that esophogus problem.  glad it was diagnosed properly. Ingenious feeding solution.
The last two years we had our Maggie, we spent more at the vet than for both my wife and me for our own MD's

This winter, or daughter was visiting when she noticed her "baby" 100# Yellow Lab was not acting right.  It was late at nite, but she decided not to wait til morrning to find a vet.  she found one about 30 miles away and rushed him there.  They told her the dogs stomach had flipped.
They operated immediately.  They had to unsnarl the stomach and then sew it in place somehow so it would not move again. 
Along with epilepsy and dislocated shoulder and the emergency op, I think she has spent more on her dog than her car.

But, the dog is happy and still playful.
Tinker
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Glad she picked up on the signs and didn't wait!  Funny thing is this is my second golden and until these issues surfaced, I never really realized how expressive dogs are.  They speak volumes through their body language, but sometimes we're just too hung up on vocal communication to understand.  Once we figured out Chili needed to be fed vertically, there were other nuances in the feeding routine that still needed to be worked out.  The vets I've found are textbook smart, but not much more.  We struggled for 5 months with random regurg cycles and only after each cycle did I go back and think about his behavior and expressions.  He will never say no to food (which is what makes this so tricky), but his face and posture was telling me all along when he was having trouble.  Sometimes his behavior as well.  Now that I'm listening I'm able to almost completely eliminate the regurg cycles.  He can definitely talk...the issue is is there anyone listening! 

Two weeks ago we left him for the first time in 2 years.  I found an older woman that works in my vets office that was willing to petsit/housesit.  I showed her the routine and all his body language (head posture, ears, eyes) and what to do when he's having trouble with is food.  I handed her the food bowl and let her finish the second half of the feeding and she picked up on everything beautifully!  We were nervous and checked in daily to see how he was doing...thankfully it worked out great! 
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It was fortunate that our daughter was "home" that nite when her dog had the bloat.  She was here for christmas/New year vacation.  normally, she would have been off visiting, but that evening she had been here.  I was already sleeping, but she and My BOSS were still up.  Had daughter not been here, we might have waited til morning, as the dog also has epilepsy.  we knew the symptoms for that, but none of us had ever confronted the bloat problem.  Even tho i had grown up on a dairy farm, i had never seen the problem with any of our farm animals.  My wif might have thought the problem might go away as she had never even heard of it.  Daughter just knew something was wrong. 

Your dogs problem is evidently not very common.  It is fortunate that you are observant and able to read the dog language.  Not everybody can tune in to such problems, much less figure out a solution.  We have had three Goldens.  the first two inhaled food and we had to serve dinners in 1/2 portions just to be safe.  the third was a little less of a glutton.  She was also a rescue dog and lived to be almost 17.  She was my Go To Job Dog.
Tinker
 
jmbfestool said:
So sad but he looks really happy and healthy.

[not worthy] Makes me happy when people love their animals and will do anything for them.   Some people wouldn't bother.

I don't believe any one should have a pet if they can't fully commit to them when needed.  Financially and personally.  I think a dog is like having a permanent child and you wouldn't neglect a child.

Jmb
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Thank you Jmb, I know you meant that from the heart and this struck a chord with me.  I think every situation is unique.  My first golden had to be put down at 12 yo due to kidney failure.  In the last week he was slowly starving to death because he couldn't hold down food.  He lived a good life and it was time to let him go, he was suffering too much.  In the grand scheme of things, I think we were lucky to have reached that place where a decision was clear.  Before we got chili, I was virtually certain if anything catastrophic were to happen, I wouldn't bet the farm on him and go broke in the process.  I guess you could say the way the situation unfolded it gave us time to figure out how we could deal with this.  The complete picture in terms of the cause, financial commitment and time commitment became clear over the span of 8 months.  At the end of it, we spend 5 hours a day giving him food and water.  $800 a month on dog walkers because he ingests so much water to take down food he has to go out frequently and can't be trusted outside unsupervised or he'll eat all kinds of nonsense.  $250+ a month on prescription food and medication.  And taking vacations is nearly impossible, although we've recently found some limited help.  If someone told us what he would need from day 1, the story might have been different.  Instead there was a glimmer of hope all along the way and we learned that he could live a happy, healthy and normal life with careful management.  A year ago he was 50 lbs and near the end, today he's at 75+ lbs and borderline getting overweight.  It feels like it's been a long road with him, but at this point we're just thankful to be where we are at.  It's true, not everybody can (or would) go to this extreme.  It's often a balancing act between family, finances and your pets life.  Each "parent" has to make the decision that's best for them.  But it would be nice if people took a minute to think about that from the outset before taking a new puppy home.  Sorry guys, don't mean to be on a soapbox, just reflecting on the road we've been on.  I've learned that our dogs represent the best of who we aspire to be.  They are noble, gracious, humble, forgiving.  Give your dog a hug today.  He/she deserves it!  :)
 
RKA said:
jmbfestool said:
So sad but he looks really happy and healthy.

[not worthy] Makes me happy when people love their animals and will do anything for them.   Some people wouldn't bother.

I don't believe any one should have a pet if they can't fully commit to them when needed.  Financially and personally.  I think a dog is like having a permanent child and you wouldn't neglect a child.

Jmb
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Thank you Jmb, I know you meant that from the heart and this struck a chord with me.  I think every situation is unique.  My first golden had to be put down at 12 yo due to kidney failure.  In the last week he was slowly starving to death because he couldn't hold down food.  He lived a good life and it was time to let him go, he was suffering too much.  In the grand scheme of things, I think we were lucky to have reached that place where a decision was clear.  Before we got chili, I was virtually certain if anything catastrophic were to happen, I wouldn't bet the farm on him and go broke in the process.  I guess you could say the way the situation unfolded it gave us time to figure out how we could deal with this.  The complete picture in terms of the cause, financial commitment and time commitment became clear over the span of 8 months.  At the end of it, we spend 5 hours a day giving him food and water.  $800 a month on dog walkers because he ingests so much water to take down food he has to go out frequently and can't be trusted outside unsupervised or he'll eat all kinds of nonsense.  $250+ a month on prescription food and medication.  And taking vacations is nearly impossible, although we've recently found some limited help.  If someone told us what he would need from day 1, the story might have been different.  Instead there was a glimmer of hope all along the way and we learned that he could live a happy, healthy and normal life with careful management.  A year ago he was 50 lbs and near the end, today he's at 75+ lbs and borderline getting overweight.  It feels like it's been a long road with him, but at this point we're just thankful to be where we are at.  It's true, not everybody can (or would) go to this extreme.  It's often a balancing act between family, finances and your pets life.  Each "parent" has to make the decision that's best for them.  But it would be nice if people took a minute to think about that from the outset before taking a new puppy home.  Sorry guys, don't mean to be on a soapbox, just reflecting on the road we've been on.  I've learned that our dogs represent the best of who we aspire to be.  They are noble, gracious, humble, forgiving.  Give your dog a hug today.  He/she deserves it!  :)
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I did mean it.   I believe people who love Animals are very loving/caring people

Our previous dog had kidney failure so sad because he was so fit and healthy on the out side couldn't tell he was ill, he was his normal self.   The only reason we knew he was ill was his water bowl kept turning greenish and we couldnt touch his sides because it was painful.    So it was hard to decide if we could get few more weeks/months out of him or is he suffering but just a tuff guy who seems to be able to hide it from us.

Was a hard choice to make [crying]  

I always give my Dog a Hug every day!  He loves cuddles [embarassed]  
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My Lab loves spending time in the shop with me.  Here's a pic of him sleeping in the sawdust.

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We have been without a  dog now for, I think, 5 years This is the first time in my life I recall not having one.  Our daughter has the 105# yellow lab that she just has to force us to take care of for her when she goes on a trip, or out galavantin' when she visits us.  It's a really tough job, but somebody HAS TO DO IT. ::)

Every one of my dogs, when his/her time came, i have always gone with the dog to the vet and held in my lap as the vet gave the final needle. 

We have always told our children months ahead of time that we might not be bringing their pet home from the vet "one of these days."  We always made sure they understood and it was a natural thing.  Both kids always understood long before we had to take that final trip.  A couple of times, our daughter went with us.  Our son would get as far as the vets office, but could not go into where out pet would be put to sleep.  It was always their choice.  We never told them they had to go with us.  But it was a lot easier for both when they knew the day was coming.

Tinker
 
A lot easier for the adults too!  Some of us don't like being blind-sided! 

Deep creek, love your lab!!  Something about dogs that are generally known to be high energy and seeing them just relaxing or taking a nap! 
 
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Deep creek, love your lab!!  Something about dogs that are generally known to be high energy and seeing them just relaxing or taking a nap! 
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My Labrador is a non-retriever.  As my Dad would say, that boy's got a lot of quit in him.  He does enjoy his naps!
 
"I'm very comfortable.  Please do not disturb me.  Thanks for letting me wear your Festool Owners Group Cap!  It's quite trendy!"

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"I'm very comfortable.  Please do not disturb me.  Thanks for letting me wear your Festool Owners Group Cap!  It's quite trendy!"
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Looked like a great pic until I scrolled to the right and found out that you're dog isn't posing entirely on his own.  [unsure]
 
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