Should FastCap develop a Domino glue nozzle product?

[stvrowe]

I don't post on forums very often as I don't want to be seen as hawking my Youtube channel but I do need your help to answer a question.  I have recently started 3D printing tools/accessories for my shop and one of those items was a set of glue nozzles for the Domino DF500.  The concept/design has proven solid to me but, this version needs some printing enhancements to provide a better seal at the bottle interface.  I am already working on the next version to address this issue.  3D printing this set takes over 20 hours so it is not efficient for mass production and I have no desire to spend my retirement years operating a 3D print farm. 

Yesterday, I posted a video with a link where folks could download STL files so they could print them.  The video can be seen here:  DF500 Domino Glue Nozzles

Not everyone has or even wants a 3D printer so one viewer suggested contacting FastCap to see if they would be interested in manufacturing Domino glue nozzles.  Over the past 12 hours or so, there have been a number of communications with FastCap on this subject and the bottom line question is whether there is sufficient market demand to justify manufacturing setup to make glue nozzles for the Domino.  Such a setup would cost somewhere between $30-50K before FastCap ever made a penny and that would require a lot of sales to justify.  To gauge market demand, the question I need you to answer is:

Should FastCap develop a Domino glue nozzle product?

Thanks,
Steve

 

[RMDavis]

I would support this. Perhaps it could be included in the package with their Glue-bots.  I expect this nozzle would see use with many a mortise as well.

 

[MikeGE]

I would never discourage innovation, but I think a more appropriate question is “Who would buy a Domino glue nozzle?”

I would not be interested in one because I prefer to “butter” my tenons. This method works for me with all Domino sizes.

 

[DynaGlide]

Hi Steve -

I hate gluing in Dominos. I use those disposable horse hair brushes and wipe it on the tenons and stick them in but there's usually more squeeze out than I'd like. It seems like your nozzles would avoid a lot of that? What do you think about needing to apply glue to the flat mating surfaces of the two pieces being joined? If still necessary then the nozzles wouldn't add a lot of benefit as I'd still need to brush the mating surfaces of stock with glue.

Either way I'd be interested. When I'm doing a bigger Domino glue up anything to speed it up and lessen clean up and messes (less work for finishing) would be appreciated.

Matt

 

[ChuckM]

This topic has come up a few times, including this one:https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/...es-a-commerical-domino-glue-applicator-exist/

If there's a kind of Domino glue dispenser that I'd like to buy, this is it (at 1:00), that dispenses the right amount of glue automatically:
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Squeezing the bottle to get the right amount out doesn't cut it for me, if I'm gonna spend my money on a gadget.

Edit: I think I came across a dispenser for Dominoes or the like somewhere...let me see if I can still find it. I'll post it if I can....

Update:https://www.rockler.com/rocklers-glue-applicator-set

 

[Birdhunter]

i use solder brushes to "butter" the tenons. i can see just how much glue that i am applying. i don't think i would have that much control with a nozzle. Also, I just toss the brushes and don't have any nozzle clean up.

 

[ChuckM]

Final update:

This is the set I had in mind when I said I came across a Domino glue dispenser -https://rangate.com/products/domino-joint-nozzles

(The price looks insane, so I don't know if it's for commercial applications or it's a joke.)

 

[Jim_in_PA]

I kinda also do the "butter" thing so for me, I'd not find the nozzles too useful. But for folks who do like to inject glue into the mortise, it's a nice accomodation.

The tightness that was mentioned as a challenge for test fitting is real. In a recent discussion on SMC, I brought up having sets of sanded Domino stock dedicated for that purpose and also postulated on dyeing them bright colors. I think I'm going to do that when I have a new shop building up.

 

[squall_line]

Final update:

This is the set I had in mind when I said I came across a Domino glue dispenser -https://rangate.com/products/domino-joint-nozzles

(The price looks insane, so I don't know if it's for commercial applications or it's a joke.)

It's part of a gluing system that starts with a $850+ 1.5 gallon pressurized steel tank; the tips are for their $140-$215 guns that attach to that tank and hose.

So I'd say more likely that "it's for commercial applications" rather than "it's a joke".

 

[ChuckM]

Snip.

It's part of a gluing system that starts with a $850+ 1.5 gallon pressurized steel tank; the tips are for their $140-$215 guns that attach to that tank and hose.

So I'd say more likely that "it's for commercial applications" rather than "it's a joke".

Good to know. The joke thing was just a tongue-in-cheek remark. The site looks legit.

I use coffee stir sticks to spread glue to the mortises and Dominoes...quick, effective and mostly free.

 

[stvrowe]

To answer many of the comments to so far, there are many ways to glue a domino and I have tried almost all of them.  In response I offer the following observations based on over 42 years of woodworking and 15 years with the Domino:
1) Those who like to butter tenons with glue must like to clean up squeeze out.  I do not.
2) I only put glue on one side of the joint as my experience in gluing has taught me that wet glue on one surface magically transfers to the other when they are put together.  The trick is to apply the correct amount of glue where it is needed - not too much and not too little.   
3) I prefer putting glue in the mortise to avoid excess squeeze out as noted in #1 above.  The trick is to not put too much in so that you get hydraulic lock and possible workpiece splitting.  Even with mild arthritis, I find it easy to apply just the right amount of glue where it is needed using the bottle and nozzle.
4) I have both the Lamello Dosicol and the Minicol.  The Dosicol is metered, is difficult to adjust, and always puts more glue in than necessary.  It works well for biscuits which have a lot of space for the excess to go but is lousy for dowels (don't ask me how I know).  I never cared much for the Minicol as it wouldn't get in all the places I needed.
5) I have the Pizzi glue system and I like it quite a bit.  I could get the Domino nozzles but at $200 each, I would have more tied up in nozzles than my entire glue setup cost to begin with and still wouldn't have all the Domino sizes I use (i.e. - DF700).  When I purchased the Pizzi system, Greg at Rangate advised me to not go overboard on nozzles, get a few and then decide what you need after using it a while.  This is very sage advice.
6) I seldom brush glue for an edge-to-edge joint unless the glue needs to make its way around a profile such as in a lock miter joint.  Try it sometime - place a bead of glue (or more depending on the thickness) on one edge without brushing or wiping with your finger, join the two boards and rub together slightly, then pull them apart.  If you have properly jointed surfaces, you quickly learn that brushing and spreading glue for this joint is a waste of time and effort.  I am not saying this is an absolute answer for every possible situation but we all too often grab on to myths and confuse them with facts.  We then go on to promulgate those myths and when repeated often enough and by enough people, somehow it becomes an irrefutable law.

Regardless of your preferred method of gluing Dominos, a simple YES or NO answer would suffice to give input on whether Fastcap should pursue this or not.  Whether this becomes commercially available or not does not matter one way or the other to me as I just wanted to share what I was doing with respect to what I view is an improvement to the methods that I use to glue the Domino.  If you use a different method, do not wish to change, and have no use for a glue nozzle fine, just say NO and move on.  If this sounds harsh, I am sorry - I am old and my PC filter was lost in a move many years ago.  This explains why I don't participate on forums much.

Steve

 

[ChuckM]

Snip. If this sounds harsh, I am sorry - I am old and my PC filter was lost in a move many years ago.  This explains why I don't participate on forums much.

Steve

It doesn't sound harsh to me. But it's a two-way street, so do expect forum members to share their responses not in a dry "Yes" or "No" manner.

If you created your post as a Survey with clear instructions that you only expected a "Yes" or "No" answer, and no additional comments or remarks should be included, the responses should've been much different.

 

[squall_line]

I think it's a great accessory and applaud you for making the files available to anyone who wants to use them to print at home.

I also don't think FastCap needs my advice on this.

If they produced their own version, what would the effect be on the availability of the STL files for home use?

"Open Source" and "Commercial viability" are often in competition with one another, for better or worse.

 

[mino]

No horse in this as not US based, so  just my 2 cents :

A Domino-specific application end is probably not worth it. Also, then comes the Q of "which" of the 7 Domino sizes and the couple hundred variable depths ...

A prolonged "thin" "rectangle-ish" nozzle, a bit less than 4 mm thick so it can easily get into both Domino AND biscuit holes is something I would support and believe will find its market.

 

[GoingMyWay]

No.

 

[rmwarren]

Response: Nope.

Editorial: I'd just loose the friggin' thing between uses anyway.

RMW

 

[Paul_HKI]

No.

 

[usernumber1]

you'd probably get quicker responses with a poll. you can share the results after the cutoff date on the forum for archiving
https://strawpoll.com/en/create/

 

[waho6o9]

no

 

[semenza]

I would want this ( and have wanted it for years) for some applications. But there are caveats for me ............

          Needs to work with a thicker glue ( Lee Valley Cabinetmakers) than tight bond. So I wonder about clogging in the small holes.

          Needs to work with GluBot.

          I would buy a set for up to $30.00.

Seth