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grobkuschelig said:
Oh Oliver, if you post more pics, my Festool-addiction might connect with my model-train past and morph into something truly unhealthy. [emoji33]

I’ve been wanting to operate one of those cranes from the German open cast mining plants since I learned that a car/family van/truck will fit inside one of the shovels, when I was 8. [emoji7]

[big grin] [big grin] Are you talking about a bucket-wheel excavator or a rope shovel?

Bucket-wheel excavator I can help with, rope shovel not so much as I have never had the opportunity to see one up close and live.

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I'm really sorry I have to cut these pics, but there's always at least one other ex-colleague somewhere in them ...

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
This was one of the most impressive mining machines I have heard about... Big Muskie



Big Muskie was the length of 1 1/2 football fields!  About 140 meters!

Then I googled it and the Wikipedia page mentioned a German mining machine -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagger_293

It was 225 meters long!

The big machines are fascinating.  You can spend hours on Youtube on videos on large machines!  Or we can buy tools!  I'm torn!
 
Maybe it's finally time to thank God for tabbed browsing?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

But yeah, so many interesting machines... I could spent days watching History & Discovery channel ...

I'll write you a PM shortly, Neil.  [smile]

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
six-point socket II said:
...it's a Liebherr crane. If I'm not mistaken it's anything between a 34 K up to a 53 K.

A typical round-table discussion with the Liebherr production group on a Monday morning, "Should we build a crane this week or just a refrigerator?"  [big grin]

Now I know where they get their hinges for their refrigerator doors... [poke]
 
I have a Liebherr refrigerator-freezer. It is certainly quite well-made, but the interior layout and space utilisation is a pathetically, miserably, disgracefully dumb design travesty. It was the only replacement I could find to fit an already-built and fitted kitchen scheme (the original and beautifully sleek device having been discontinued after expiring). Do you get the impression I’m disappointed with it? To be, hopefully, replaced as soon as I can remodel the kitchen…! 

(Apologies, I’ve had a frustrating day…)

On the other hand, they do quite a good job of making a backhoe climb a metal tower…
 
When we tear down homes here we sure don't use one of those.  Would it be safe to venture a guess that the average family wouldn't have lived in that home?

Peter
 
That shovel climbing the tower is insane...their insurance company was certainly doing anal contractions!
 
Peter Halle said:
When we tear down homes here we sure don't use one of those.  Would it be safe to venture a guess that the average family wouldn't have lived in that home?

Peter

Hi Peter,

those cranes are really quite common here throughout all types of construction sites, especially when the new house is build brick by brick. When prefabricated elements are used however, its mostly a mobile crane.

For your question, while these are definitely not your "average income family" homes, especially given the size of home and surrounding property (compared to average houses & properties of today) but on the other hand these aren't especially "posh" either. I'd say well situated middle class and upper middle class homes.

The house in question is/has a rather sad story: Original owner(s) deceased and there were/are a community of heirs - for whatever reason that is anyway completely unknown to me - they couldn't get this sorted out. Over time it became a kind of prime example for the broken windows theory and it was simply left to rot. My best guess for the current "progress" is: the community of heirs got this finally sorted, one way or another and "rescuing" what was left was probably more expensive than a tear down and re-build. Given that even if it would have been heated, aired from time to time, the water tapped and kept clean any new owner would have had to do a "structural restoration" by now. Because there would be (at the very least for waste water) lead pipes, electrical installation without RCD's for bathrooms/kitchen/sockets, not split (lighting/sockets), no network/LAN cables, screw type fuses instead of breakers and so on, iron pipes for heating, no under-floor heating, ... I think you can easily picture what I mean.

Given that another, much closer neighbor, is pulling through such a "structural restoration" on a house of similar age, but not left to rot, currently I can see how a tear down made sense in the other case.

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Hi!

Before I start writing on my overall project report, here's a little something that still has me facepalming ...

First of all, my DIY radiator install was a huge success - worked out fantastic. I had one small leakage (a couple of drips...), because I didn't use enough hemp on one connection, but that was easily fixed. In the end all I lost was a bit of time and a bit of water, because I had to empty the circuit once more and re-fill it.

Now for the facepalm.

As you know I had a radiator replaced by a professional some weeks ago. All good, basically. Since I do have windowsills on the inside, I needed brackets for them, and he brought and installed them. I didn't think any of it, even when he said to me smiling: "Oh, I have two metal plates left, I don't know where these belong, probably for another/different radiator"

This is what it looks like on those he installed:

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Please pay attention to the small metal plate/foot resting directly on the radiators ribs/lamella. When looking through the grille.

I found it a little odd he had to cut the grille back then, but again - I didn't think any of it - he is a professional. Because these brackets went in so deep, we also joked that there finally was a task to use those extra long hex keys on.

Fast forward I'm ready to install the brackets to the radiator I just had installed, and for good measure I decide to read the instructions that came with the brackets. Then I facepalmed multiple times ...

So here's how these are installed correctly - and it also explains why you need the larger metal plates underneath -> weight distribution.

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Kind regards,
Oliver

 
Hi,

I have to start today's post with a, basically two, disclaimers:

I feel very honored and it is a great pleasure to announce that Klein Tools will be supporting me by supplying high-quality tools from their line up, for my upcoming projects. Klein Tools USA is manufacturing high-end tools since 1857 mainly for line man, electricians and phone-/ network-technicians. Since early 2017 these tools are also directly available in Germany from selected partners.

Because of current legal uncertainty in Germany in regards to labeling requirements for this type of postings, I will be labeling all my postings in conjunction with this cooperation advertisement.

However it is very important to me to point out that I’m not being paid for my postings and their content and furthermore they reflect my own personal view/opinion.

As is customary for this type of cooperation, I’m allowed to keep the products after my projects and testing are finished.

I’m not an employee of Klein Tools.

--

Advertisement.

I recently renovated what we call the guest bedroom, in this post I will write about how I exchanged the radiator.

First I had to get the right fittings. If you go to one of our local equivalents of "Home Depot" / "Lowe's" you'll find a lot of different fittings - the ones they don't have are those made from "gunmetal" - which last a lot longer and are of much higher quality than those made from more or less pure copper. It's a product professionals use around here but you can't buy them in typical DIY hardware stores.

It wasn't hard to find a place online that sells them, but then you obviously have to know exactly what you need.

I made a plan, took some measurements and this is what I ended up with:

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Trivia: In old houses the pipe system is still 3/8" - today 1/2" is common and 3/8" will be gone for good pretty soon.

So I started with a reducer 3/8" internal thread to 1/2" external thread, then it's a thermostatic radiator valve (flow) / radiator lockshield valve (return), followed by a connector with union nut, right angle connector, a longer connector, a connector with external threading on both sides, and finally the connector that is screwed into the radiator.

Hemp and sealant.

I dry fitted everything and both parts had the same length as I had hoped for.

What I also needed was a radiator spud wrench. Normally those are made for "push-through" ratchets, I was happy to find one for my 1/2" drive ratchet.

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Then came radiator replacement day  [big grin]

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This needs a little explanation. As you can see the old radiator sits on brackets that go through the screed and are fastened in/to the concrete ceiling/floor. I didn't want to "dig" (hammer/chisel) these out so I planned to cut them flush. The plumber did this in the other room with an angle grinder, I'm not the biggest fan of angle grinders, so I wanted to give my MultiMaster a try. From prior experience with multi cutters I was pretty sure I'd be needing two batteries. I had a fully charged one and one that was nearly empty, so the first step was actually to charge the empty one while I still had to do some other stuff.

Then it was time to drain the pipe system and radiators.

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I know, not the nicest view - but this is straight and true after opening the drain. (Washing machine and condense dryer are both connected to this drain "inside" the floor, so there is no need for me to open this ...)

Next step was to remove the old radiator. I apologize for the lack of pictures, but I had no chance to pause and take some, as the old radiator was really heavy and I wanted to take it off the brackets, empty it and then move it over in one attempt.

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The black water is basically pure iron, smells like "blood". So here's a shout out to the preppers and urban survivalists among us: If you think of using water from your heating system (and have old "iron" pipes and radiators) in a doomsday emergency, this is what it looks like. Luckily this stuff collects on the bottom of radiators, so water drained from the system is (will be) much cleaner looking - but still has some iron in it and smells ...

Next the old brackets had to go. I did this with the MultiMaster as planned and I'm really happy to report this was one smooth ride. I used a simple E cut universal metal/wood (BIM) blade from Fein on speed 6 and it held up great. Still sharp and fully functional.

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I was also very surprised to find that I just "lost" one stripe on the batterie's charge.

Next I dry fitted my parts one more time and took some final measurements.

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Then it was time to install the new brackets.

Preparing tools. The Tradesman Pro™ Rolling Tool Bag is one of the items I received from Klein Tools, I will post more about it soon - but what I can already say after using it for a couple of weeks, taking it on the road and shopping is: that it's surely one of the finest tool bags I ever owned. Large, heavy duty, versatile - but again I will write an in depth review on it soon. For now, please just take my word for it, I had a great time working on my projects with it so far. :)

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I can't say this often enough, but I love the PDC. It's a delicate spot: Plastered insulation board and then a very thin wall. So I needed absolutely clean and tight holes for the wall plugs. Drilling these at 3800 rpm (percussion mode switched off) with the carbide tipped CE-Stone drill bits is a breeze. The wall plugs fit most excellent.

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To tighten the bolts I used my trusted 1/2" Snap-On ratchet an adapter down to 3/8" and a 13 mm 3/8" socket. Since these screws are pretty long I used my 3/8" Snap-On impact to overcome most of the length.

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Next I had to prepare the radiator. I used the radiator spud wrench (socket) on my ratchet.

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Again I apologize for not taking more pictures, but my fingers were covered in sealant and hemp residue and I was fully concentrated on obtaining watertight connections.

Then I cut threading on/to the return pipe as I needed to shorten it.

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Installed brackets for the windowsill.

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And this is what it looks like in the finished room.

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Kind regards,
Oliver

 
Hi Oliver, nice post!
And congratulations on the Klein deal!

I think it is always good to get a better insight on tools from across the pond, there are so many things out there in the world and every bit of information helps finding the right tools.

If you need someone to field test the Klein Hacksaw-Bag, I can offer my services, been looking at that recently.[emoji41][emoji51]
 
What tool did you for the pipe threading?  And did it havea handle or just the pliers, which I would not think would be up to the task.  Don’t know if I would trust threading a pipe in the wall in place due to fear of it potentially breaking from wear and deterioration,over the years.

Great walkthrough of the process. 

Looks like you also scraped/papered the walls before final install.  So much easier with the radiator removed.
 
Hi!

[member=63474]grobkuschelig[/member]

Thank you!  [smile] [smile]

[member=167]neilc[/member]

Hi Neil,

Thank you!  [big grin] [big grin]

While planning I thought about these points. The plumber who installed the other radiator also just used a threading die and pliers.

Since I had to buy the 3/8" threading die, I thought of ordering a ratcheting handle with it. Ultimately I decided against it because I wasn't sure how this would turn out: I have two other rooms that could use a new radiator, and given my recent experience I will replace these myself. But I wasn't so sure about that in the beginning, so now I will buy the ratcheting handle. ;) If this hadn't worked out the way it did, I wouldn't need the threading die anymore and didn't want to be stuck with additional accessories for it.

So yes, I did just use the pliers to turn the threading die and did so directly on the pipe without any other tools/support. This was fairly easy, a little bit of cutting oil - not much force needed, the pipe didn't move at all and it felt safe to do it this way, at least to me. If the pipe had moved or if I had the feeling that something wasn't right, I would have stopped immediately.

Would you please share if you know a safer way or know about useful additional tools/supports to do this? Always eager to learn. :)

And yes, I did hang wallpaper before final install. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

 
I have threaders with the ratchet handle.  Don't use it much, but never thought about threading without one!  I don't trust slipjoint pliers for a good grip on something like that.  But I don't have Klein for a sponsor either!  And I never saw a plumber do it either.

Congrats on that sponsorship, BTW!

I would probably have unscrewed the pipe from the wall and taken it to a vise rather than run the risk of threading it in place and it potentially breaking.  I only say that because the radiator pipes in our home were 80 years old before we replaced them with copper 20 years ago.  When we changed the pipes out I remember some of them being pretty corroded, thus wanting to be careful with any wrenches!  They are all 3/4" copper replacing 3/4" iron pipes.

It doesn't even look like you had a pipe wrench on the pipe for extra support while threading.  You live dangerously!

Good stuff.  Keep the projects coming.

neil
 
six-point socket II said:
Hi!

[member=63474]grobkuschelig[/member]

Thank you!  [smile] [smile]

[member=167]neilc[/member]

Hi Neil,

Thank you!  [big grin] [big grin]

While planning I thought about these points. The plumber who installed the other radiator also just used a threading die and pliers.

Since I had to buy the 3/8" threading die, I thought of ordering a ratcheting handle with it. Ultimately I decided against it because I wasn't sure how this would turn out: I have two other rooms that could use a new radiator, and given my recent experience I will replace these myself. But I wasn't so sure about that in the beginning, so now I will buy the ratcheting handle. ;) If this hadn't worked out the way it did, I wouldn't need the threading die anymore and didn't want to be stuck with additional accessories for it.

So yes, I did just use the pliers to turn the threading die and did so directly on the pipe without any other tools/support. This was fairly easy, a little bit of cutting oil - not much force needed, the pipe didn't move at all and it felt safe to do it this way, at least to me. If the pipe had moved or if I had the feeling that something wasn't right, I would have stopped immediately.

Would you please share if you know a safer way or know about useful additional tools/supports to do this? Always eager to learn. :)

And yes, I did hang wallpaper before final install. :)

Kind regards,
Oliver

[member=61712]six-point socket II[/member], This has been a great info thread on many levels. Very interesting all the way. A while back, you showed some cranes in Germany. Each time I have visited I have noted, even in my inlaws' small village, how many cranes ae in use, even for individual houses. However, cranes are not the subject for now.

When I was a HS sophomore, I was taking shop. For the first half year, I was in the metal working class. I had a neighbor who was a plumber.  He found out I was learning about metal working. One afternoon, he asked me if i knew how to sweat.  Of course I knew all about sweating. I had lived and worked on a farm for the last few years. But, I knew that wasn't the kind of sweating he was asking about. I replied, "Well. I know how to solder."  That was the beginning of a long relationship in the plumbing trade.

I learned how to sweat, but also earned about other phases of the trade. My neighbor's specialty was pump installation. I learned how to pull wells and install pumps either at the top of wells or to drop a pump down 300 feet into a well. Either way, we had to fabricate fittings. That was in 1946 and there are not as large selections of parts that are available today. We were working mostly on old houses and changing ancient piping for more modern equipment into house that were not built to any code and building codes were just being thought out and developed.

On one job, a short nipple just would not line up and the boss was stumped to make a short pipe fit at both ends without bending. His torch could not develope enough heat to anneal the pipe soft enough to bend without kinking. He would have to go home and get his tanks and bigger torch.  He had a drinking problem and I knew if I let him go home, I would not see him again that day.  In my ignorance, I suggested we mount the die at each end of the pipe off center and thread the pipe crooked.  My neighbor told me it was impossible to thread a pipe crooked, but I persuaded that we should try it.

to make a long story short, we tried it and it worked. Ken was flabbergasted, but forever after, he would tell the story about "Tinker's wobble threads." He is gone now, but eventually, he quit drinking. He used to tell the story with the addendum that if he wasn't drinking, there would have been no lubrication to make it work.

My aunt had a better answer to the impossible: She always told me "Ignorance is bliss." I like that explanation much better.
Tinker

 
jobsworth said:
Man Oliver,
you do keep busy and do such nice work.

TOOL TIME!!! :) :) :) I loved that show, even have the DVD Box ... Oh, and I got T-Shirts ... But obviously Heidi is much better looking than me  [eek] [blink] [scared] [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]

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Thank you very much for the compliment on my work!

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
neilc said:
I have threaders with the ratchet handle.  Don't use it much, but never thought about threading without one!  I don't trust slipjoint pliers for a good grip on something like that.  But I don't have Klein for a sponsor either!  And I never saw a plumber do it either.

Congrats on that sponsorship, BTW!

I would probably have unscrewed the pipe from the wall and taken it to a vise rather than run the risk of threading it in place and it potentially breaking.  I only say that because the radiator pipes in our home were 80 years old before we replaced them with copper 20 years ago.  When we changed the pipes out I remember some of them being pretty corroded, thus wanting to be careful with any wrenches!  They are all 3/4" copper replacing 3/4" iron pipes.

It doesn't even look like you had a pipe wrench on the pipe for extra support while threading.  You live dangerously!

Good stuff.  Keep the projects coming.

neil

Hi Neil,

Funny you mention Klein, that was my Knipex  [scared]  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin] - But only because they sent me so much neat tools, I didn't dare to ask for another additional pair of pliers and I don't think I would have used insulated pump pliers for this anyway. :)

Thank you very much!!

I think there lies our little misunderstanding. Maybe I should have put this in my original post. I can't unscrew the pipe. It's completely incased within the brick & mortar wall. It was put in when the house was build, never to be taken out again. (Basically)

Here's a picture from the bathroom when it was remodeled, the pipes were taken out and replaced as the whole room was "stripped" to the core. This view is after tiling and plaster were removed. (In the other rooms the pipe(s) lies even deeper)

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But I totally agree with you, when one can take out the pipe, one should do it!

EDIT, I forgot this in my original reply: You're also absolutely right on the pipe wrench, I could have placed one on the pipe for additional support. I will do that next time, didn't think of that before!

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Tinker said:
[member=61712]six-point socket II[/member], This has been a great info thread on many levels. Very interesting all the way. A while back, you showed some cranes in Germany. Each time I have visited I have noted, even in my inlaws' small village, how many cranes ae in use, even for individual houses. However, cranes are not the subject for now.

When I was a HS sophomore, I was taking shop. For the first half year, I was in the metal working class. I had a neighbor who was a plumber.  He found out I was learning about metal working. One afternoon, he asked me if i knew how to sweat.  Of course I knew all about sweating. I had lived and worked on a farm for the last few years. But, I knew that wasn't the kind of sweating he was asking about. I replied, "Well. I know how to solder."  That was the beginning of a long relationship in the plumbing trade.

I learned how to sweat, but also earned about other phases of the trade. My neighbor's specialty was pump installation. I learned how to pull wells and install pumps either at the top of wells or to drop a pump down 300 feet into a well. Either way, we had to fabricate fittings. That was in 1946 and there are not as large selections of parts that are available today. We were working mostly on old houses and changing ancient piping for more modern equipment into house that were not built to any code and building codes were just being thought out and developed.

On one job, a short nipple just would not line up and the boss was stumped to make a short pipe fit at both ends without bending. His torch could not develope enough heat to anneal the pipe soft enough to bend without kinking. He would have to go home and get his tanks and bigger torch.  He had a drinking problem and I knew if I let him go home, I would not see him again that day.  In my ignorance, I suggested we mount the die at each end of the pipe off center and thread the pipe crooked.  My neighbor told me it was impossible to thread a pipe crooked, but I persuaded that we should try it.

to make a long story short, we tried it and it worked. Ken was flabbergasted, but forever after, he would tell the story about "Tinker's wobble threads." He is gone now, but eventually, he quit drinking. He used to tell the story with the addendum that if he wasn't drinking, there would have been no lubrication to make it work.

My aunt had a better answer to the impossible: She always told me "Ignorance is bliss." I like that explanation much better.
Tinker

Hi!

Thank you very much Tinker!

I have to say "Tinker's wobble threads." was an amazing read, thank you so much for sharing, love it!

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
[member=61712]six-point socket II[/member]

TOOL TIME!!! I loved that show, even have the DVD Box ... Oh, and I got T-Shirts ... But obviously Heidi is much better looking than me....

Nahhhhhhhh  [eek] [big grin]
 
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