square drive centrotec bits

I *think* the head is designed to fit the hole perfectly and increase force distribution across the surface....
 
dbworkshop said:
fritter63 said:
Does anyone have a source for pocket hole screws that have a torx head on them?

Check out GRK's pan headed screws.
fritter63 said:
I *think* the head is designed to fit the hole perfectly and increase force distribution across the surface....

I was wondering if these cabinet screws from GRK would be good alternatives for the Kreg screws?  It seems as if the flat design of these screws mimic the head on Kreg screws. 
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My guess is that the washer style head will be too wide to fit into the pocket screw head recess.

Peter
 
Peter Halle said:
My guess is that the washer style head will be too wide to fit into the pocket screw head recess.

Peter

The GRK Cabinet screw (washer head) is definetly too big for pocket holes. I have some. Great for other things though.

The GRK pan heads work very well in pocket holes.

Seth
 
Forget about the damn screw heads and bit types.  Just pop rivet your joints and add a touch of hot melt adhesive.  It works for planes.  Just ask Rosie.  [tongue]
 
SRSemenza said:
The GRK Cabinet screw (washer head) is definetly too big for pocket holes. I have some. Great for other things though.

The GRK pan heads work very well in pocket holes.

Seth

Thanks, good to know
 
EWTHeckman said:
Shane Holland said:
I'm pretty sure the bits are not patented, only the chuck mechanism. But, I could be wrong.

I would expect both the chuck and the Centrotec connection design to be separate patents. The Centrotec system is a design for how a bit would fit into a chuck and the specifications on the design of the bit connection. It's common to patent such designs. (For example, the iPod connector is patented.)

The question is, does Festool let other manufacturers make bits? So for instance, GhostFist likes the Robinson made bit. Would Festool allow them to make bits with Centrotec connectors?

the problem is this... festool has copyrighted and trademarked all of their intellectual
property, and if they are like most companies, they patented the CEO's dog as well.

that being said, they my not want to bother with producing limited demand items like
square drive bits to fit directly into the centrotek, but if anyone else uses their
design, they have to go barking at them, or they risk losing the protection of the patent.

patent's, trade marks, and sales marks which are not defended can be weakened.

let's say someone on here makes for profit some bits we all want, and festool, not
wanting that market anyway, figures it keeps the customers happy, so why not?

next year, blork and dorkie decides to make a full range of bits that fit the centrotec,
and festool files for legal remedy.... and then it comes out in court that festool was
allowing someone else to use their intellectual property as if it was in the public domain.

me, if they were priced within reason, i'd love sets of fractional bits and unibits in
titanium dioxide, for drilling stainless.

so, i have bought some new unibits, and will go off and play with a lathe and toolpost
grinder, and put a centrotek shaft on those three or four bits, 'cause i'm stubborn.

festool could add square head tips without much inconvenience, seeing as lots of
people here would use them. i'd buy them in a heartbeat, as most electrical fittings
and panel screws, and circuit breakers use #2 square drive.

i don't think they are gonna do it, ever. so, we can either make bootlegs, or quit
whining about it.
 
FulThrotl said:
....i don't think they are gonna do it, ever. so, we can either make bootlegs, or quit
whining about it.

You hit the nail right on the head. [tongue] [big grin]
 
I dunno...if Festool made the bits then what would be whine about? [tongue]  Personally I find these posts entertaining... [big grin]

Scot
 
These unrelenting posts about square drive bits has gotten out of hand.  I'm locking this and the other threads.  As soon as all of you come to your senses and accept nothing but slotted, I will then open these threads back up.

Ken Nagrod
El Presidente of the International Association for the Preservation of Slotted and Stripped Screws
 
I need a bit that can drive screws which have the same type of heads that nails do -- just plain-old flat.

[laughing]

Has to work consistently though, so if anyone actually wastes his time trying to design one -- make sure you don't screw it up...

;D
 
Vindingo said:
Scarpia said:
Torx head pocket screws-
http://www.screw-products.com/gold.htm
(scroll down)

Have you used this brand of screw before?  How do they compare in terms of quality vs GRK? 

A while back I bought 5 Lbs of each (shorter than 4"), at that time I couldn't find a source for GRK, and  I had come to love the torx head and still do. The common screws were fine  but the trim head screws seem to snap off driver bits for some reason. The face frame screws were fine as well, but my only issue with them was that I expected them to be cheaper (price wise) than the Kreg brand but they were the same price or a little more. I did not see any great advantage in the torx over the robertson head in this application. Since then, Home Dopey started selling their "deck" screws with a torx head and I started using them since it is so convinent to get them when ever you are low. Just yesterday I discovered that they were selling Spax torx head screws and I will start re-stocking with those. Also, Amazon is now stocking some sizes of GRKs, and their trim head screws can't be beat. Sorry to have rambled!
 
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