squaring the fence to the guide (at lower cost)

bonesbr549 said:
Here's what I use.  I picked them up at woodcraft for 39 bucks they have been really handy and I keep them in my wooden case.  They are good to .00015 wich is good enough for a medium that moves on its own.  

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2020413/21000/3-Piece-Engineer-s-Square-Set-with-Case.aspx
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I bought these squares from woodcraft, took them home and tested them.  All but 1 was close to being square, I took them back.  I will never buy a 3 pack of squares for 39 bucks again.  You get what you pay for.
 
One of the reasons I use an 18", 45 degree drafting triangle is that both legs are almost as long as the sawguide.  Both legs of the square need to be long to amplify any discrepancies.  I still do a test cut, flip, test cut and compare each end on a scrap.  Always within 1/128th".  I'm with Rick and would not trust a short or a medium length square with a short handle (even of the ultimate quality) to be the end all reference for setting the MFT sawguide. 

I did spy one of these on my wife's sewing room cutting table.  Hmmmmm?
http://www.creativegridsusa.com/products/cgr20 
 
ForumMFG said:
bonesbr549 said:
Here's what I use.  I picked them up at woodcraft for 39 bucks they have been really handy and I keep them in my wooden case.  They are good to .00015 wich is good enough for a medium that moves on its own.  

http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/2020413/21000/3-Piece-Engineer-s-Square-Set-with-Case.aspx
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I bought these squares from woodcraft, took them home and tested them.  All but 1 was close to being square, I took them back.  I will never buy a 3 pack of squares for 39 bucks again.  You get what you pay for.
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Mine were fine.  I tested them at work on a piece of test equipment granite slab (calibrates) and a steele set up triangle that is machined 45/90.  It was within the specificed tollerences.  Even if it had been lets say .0003 it would still be dead on for wood.  I have made numerous pieces using these squares and all joints have been perfect.  I think some times we get way to focused on taking things to .000000000000 decimal places for accuracy.  After a certain point it just don't matter.  Don't get me wrong if people want to go to that extreme hey have at it.  I just don't see the point. 
 
I'm not that picky, when I say they were not close to square, I am talking that they were extremely far off..
 
ForumMFG said:
I'm not that picky, when I say they were not close to square, I am talking that they were extremely far off..
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Hard to believe. Even the cheapest of production techniques will deliver reasonably square objects. And 39 bucks isn't cheap at all. You can by these things cheap for a dollar and a half out of china and even they are to some extent usable.

How many micrometer is "extremely far off" for you?  ;)
 
Yeah, I'll go back to woodcraft and get those squares.  Then I'll ship them to you and have to make something with it, you'll have fun ;D
 
I guess quality control had an issue.  The ones I have said made in india.  Acutally the small on comes in handy and I keep in my shirt pocket for a quick check.  To be honest I threw my jacobs speed square up against the large one and it was pretty dead on.  The were a couple areas that I could have put a feeler gauge under, but I was surprised at how close the old speed square was and I've had it for years and its seen quite a bit of construction and been banged around with the tool belt.  I was visiting a woodcraft store in VA and on the half off was a nice 6" woodpecker square that was half off at 40 bucks. I'm still kicking myself for not getting it. 
 
I use the Wixey protractor in this situation.

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This has worked for me.
Rey
 
ForumMFG said:
Yeah, I'll go back to woodcraft and get those squares.  Then I'll ship them to you and have to make something with it, you'll have fun ;D
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Sure go ahead. Need my address?
 
Using that Wixley gave me another use for my Bosch Angle Finder.  8)

Thanks.
 
The Wixey is like $60 and I believe the Bosch is like $160 or so. The Bosch is a little bit bigger. But the Wixey works out fine for me. Certainly good to have one around...for a host of things.
 
I have no idea why it's listed at 399.  The price is more like 170 or so...

If I did not I already own one...  then the Wixley would interest me.

ForumMFG said:
The link above is a bosch and it's 399
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ForumMFG said:
The link above is a bosch and it's 399
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Yeah, I can only imagine that that's a misprint at $399. Or, it could be that Amazon no longer carries it and that $399 price is what a 3rd party vendor is charging.

The Wixeys go on sale alot. I got mine during a sale that included the larger and the smaller one together....not a two for one price, but reduced.
 
There's another one listed underneath it, says it's a newer model and sells for $158.
 
Ahhh, yeah...  That's it.

I forgot there is a newer model than mine.  :'(

Steve-CO said:
There's another one listed underneath it, says it's a newer model and sells for $158.
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