Stack Security

[Eli]

Do you feel totally content knowing the garage is locked, or is there additional protection for the green and black stack? I'm gonna throw good replacement value insurance into the ring on my part.

 

[Barry]

Most thieves want to be in and out in under 10 minutes so set things up to slow them down.  In addition to the normal locks on my garage doors I have 2 pad locks install into holes I drilled on the door rails, so now if they want to break in they can't just back up a truck/van to the open door and start tossing stuff.  Anything of high value is in a safe bolted to the floor in the house, once again not worth fighting, too time consuming.

 

[Per Swenson]

Ahh,

Most thieves wouldn't know Festool from smeshtool.

If they do you have a bigger problem, cause he/she is prolly

a acquaintance. No they go for the ez grab and quick resale.

I won't leave my tools on a job where other contractors are present.

But.... I leave my doors unlocked due to a fondness of dogs and firearms.

:Per

 

[Dan Lyke]

But.... I leave my doors unlocked due to a fondness of dogs and firearms.

I've long supported the right to arm bears, but on the subject of dogs and firearms I think there should be some limits on breeds. An armed pug scares the living daylights out of me.

 

[Norm St.Onge]

One of the guys over on JLC had his van cleaned out a few months ago. The knuckleheads never touched a Systainer - of which there were several - and only took the loose hand and power tools. The assumption is that they didn't know what a Festool is or only wanted stuff they could pawn easily and anonymously.

Anybody trying to unload Festools at a job site or pawn shop would raise eyebrows for sure...not that it doesn't happen but a generic Bosch or Makita or is going be an easy sale.

-Norm

 

[Mirko]

I have an alarm on the shop... I paid extra and got the "Tar Bath" followed by the "chicken feather" boobie trap.
I can sleep at night.

Mirko

 

[bill-e]

But.... I leave my doors unlocked due to a fondness of dogs and firearms.

I've long supported the right to arm bears, but on the subject of dogs and firearms I think there should be some limits on breeds. An armed pug scares the living daylights out of me.

Dan, thanks.  That made me laugh.

 

[Eli]

I have an alarm on the shop... I paid extra and got the "Tar Bath" followed by the "chicken feather" boobie trap.
I can sleep at night.

Mirko

You didn't go for the 'sack of cement' upgrade, huh?

 

[Bob Childress]

Do you feel totally content knowing the garage is locked, or is there additional protection for the green and black stack? I'm gonna throw good replacement value insurance into the ring on my part.

Replacement value insurance is good. Take pictures as well. I have a motion sensor alarm in my workshop so if they do get the doors open, at least I'll have a fighting chance.

 

[ROb McGilp]

This is precisely why my three cats underwent extensive SAS and SEAL training. The Navy trained them so well, they now bark rather that miaow. Its quite cute seeing them in their little wetsuits and weapons belts. Each has a nominated Festool segment to take care of. The system has worked well, but I just can't get used to the "Who Dares, Wins" tattoos! Also, some of the local dogs are suing for false imprisonment and harassment. ;D ;D ;D

Regards,

Staff Sgt. (name removed for security reasons.)

 

[Dave Ronyak]

I, too, have an alarm system with motion sensors, and most importantly, at least one member of my family is at home nearly all the time.  Many thieves may not understand what Systainers and Festool products are today, but you can be certain they will learn and begin targeting them since they have higher value than other brand tools.  Which brings my thoughts back to the serial numbers and product registration programs.  LoJack for Festools, anyone?

Dave R.

 

[Per Swenson]

Sargent Suh!

I seem to have a discipline issue with my

attack cats..Suh!

Why only recently this recruit was observed with his paws

in my drawers....Suh!

I was thinking, maybe a stern lecture from a person of your

stature might turn this young recruit from meandering down the

path of sloth.

Thank you Suh !

Per

 

[HowardH]

I put a key lock on my shop made sysport.  Safely outta sight with the door closed and with five tools plus the weight of the unit itself, most thieves wouldn't even bother... i hope. 

 

[Matthew Schenker]

I, too, have an alarm system with motion sensors, and most importantly, at least one member of my family is at home nearly all the time.  Many thieves may not understand what Systainers and Festool products are today, but you can be certain they will learn and begin targeting them since they have higher value than other brand tools.  Which brings my thoughts back to the serial numbers and product registration programs.  LoJack for Festools, anyone?

Back in April, I started a discussion about ways we might use the power of this forum to register Festool tools in case of theft.  It's still something I'd like to do, but we'd have to work out the technicalities.  Maybe this current discussion can dovetail with that one.

Here's the discussion I'm talking about ----> Discussion on Stolen Festool Tools

Matthew

 

[Eli]

I was following that discussion, but it ended up being kind of inconclusive, it seemed like we decided the best security would be RFID tags, but no one would know to scan for them! Or that we should all register our serial numbers here, but how many guys on the forum also run a pawn shop?

 

[jonny round boy]

On a related note (to both this thread and the previous one linked to above), I recently saw an auction of Festool tools on eBay UK. It immediately rang alarm bells with me, for several reasons:

The picture was of a Festool stack consisting of a jigsaw, C12 drill (full kit), centrotec bit set, and a planer; the seller had simply described this as a 'Festool tool kit';
The advert was extremely badly written;
It included a few pieces of completely false information (such as that Festool tools could only be purchased via the Festool website);
The seller had a feedback rating of just 1;
The seller only offered one method of payment - Cash.

I contacted the seller, and asked for the full part numbers of what was included in the auction, along with a few other questions such as how old they were, where he'd got them from, why he was selling, etc. Basic info I'd expect a genuine seller to be happy to share. No real surprise to me, but I didn't get any response at all.

Call me suspicious if you like but it seemed pretty damn obvious to me that this lot was stolen, as the seller didn't seem to have much idea as to what it actually was that he was selling. I may be wrong on that, but that's the impression I got.

I looked at eBay's policy on 'suspected stolen goods', and lo and behold, they don't want to know. It just says to contact the police - like they'd really care about this.

In the end it went for around ?710 IIRC. In my view (and it is just my view, I'm not accusing anyone ) the buyer had to have at least a slight clue that something was wrong, but they still bid on it. I don't understand the mentality of some people - anyone who knows enough about tools to want to buy these should know that stealing tools (effectively someone's livelyhood) is pretty damn low, and should never be condoned.

Of course, as I said I could be completely wrong about all this, and it could be completely legitimate, so I don't think it'd be right to link to the actual auction (though I'm sure it wouldn't take much detective work if you wanted to find it ).

In the end, it's not just the thief himself you need to worry about - it's the scum who's happy to support him by buying the stuff, just to save a few quid...

 

[Matthew Schenker]

I was following that discussion, but it ended up being kind of inconclusive, it seemed like we decided the best security would be RFID tags, but no one would know to scan for them! Or that we should all register our serial numbers here, but how many guys on the forum also run a pawn shop?

I agree that the discussion had not reached a solid conclusion.  It's one of those things where I know I want to utilize the forum for a purpose, but I'm not exactly sure how to do it.  I still feel the same way.  There are enough reports about stolen tools to justify some kind of action.

It would take creative thinking, and coordination.  We may see some ideas proposed that are impractical.  But I just get the feeling that we could come up with a system to help prevent stolen tools, and to help identify tools that are stolen.

Matthew

 

[Eli]

I thought maybe I'd kill two birds with one stone. The lid inserts, notorious for falling out, could benefit from being laminated (no, I don't need anyone to verify I have too much time on my hands) so I was thinking maybe I'd throw my name under the lamination. But really, the insurance and speedy replacement is still the only thing that would work for sure.

 

[Dan Uhlir]

  This is a good dixcussion, and something I really haven't given much consideration too, however, it has prompted me to at least be aware of the sr. no. I'm guessing that means serial number, and I do think I'll keep a log on those. Come to think of it personally I don't see any other contractors around here with festool, so needless to say if I were missing somehting and it came up somewhere else well I'd check the serial number. as an avid skier we have had problems with @@@@@@@ stealing ski's so I guess I employ the same strategy keep a real close eye on them and hope... along with Per's thread.Thanks Dan

 

[Mike_Chrest]

I have a big steel Knaack job box. They would need a torch to get the goodies.
http://www.amazon.com/Knaack-36XXX-...50?ie=UTF8&s=automotive&qid=1187534368&sr=8-2

It is a pain to get something off the bottom. I am thinking about building a metal systainer cabinet like the wooden ones posted on FOG.

I used to live in inner city Chicago. If it wasn't bolted down, it walked.