Still don't get the Festool, please help.

Dan,

How did you deal with the need to support the left edge of the guide rail, to keep the guide rail from twisting during the cut?  After the first cut, or first two cuts if you cut opposite side of the leg before cutting adjacent sides, don't you have to deal with the guide rail being on a slight incline? 

Most people when explaining how to make tapered or cabiole leg cuts, using a bandsaw, recommend taping the cut off pieces back in place to help support and guide the workpiece stock for the next cut.  Are you doing this with your Festool based method?

Dave R.
 
I only cut one edge (those legs are oriented diagonally),  but, yeah, if I were doing two tapers I'd tape the cut taper back on and do the second cut through both pieces.

For guide rail twisting, I just put something of the same size behind the rail. That was more of a problem when I was cutting the insets in the legs for the shelves, but it still worked out okay.
 
TP, just like Dan has done, it is really quite simple to do.  I would advise blocking and clamping the leg to the mft and not just let it hang under your rail loose.  Again, one of the creative uses with Festool.

Timmy C
 
I don't think all the festool products are worth the extra price but many certainly are.  Go and use the tools and see what the benefits are for yourself, but you need to make the choice that you are comfortable with.

The main benefits to me are quality of cut, accuracy, speed, safety and dust collection.  Just not breathing all the dust is worth extra money to me and because of the designs of other saws, you won't get close to 50% dust collection with them, the TS is probably about 85% to 90%.  Also the plunge cut design is great for those times you need it but also a great safety feature, and how it rides on the rail and is locked into the tracks, you have added safety.  As far as the accuracy and quality of cut.  If your cutting cherry plywood or mahogany, etc., mess up some of those cuts and see how quickly the costs of lesser quality and accuracy adds up.

Beyond those things, many of festools products will have much greater service time than other saws and they are more comfortable to use then others. 

Again, not all festool products are worth it to me but some just don't really have any competition.  I think the TS is one that really doesn't have a true competitor and I doubt you be disappointed, its a nice saw.
 
OK Topchippie, I know that I can't speak for all of us; but, have we knocked you off the fence?  One way or another....Inquiring minds NEED to know!

Timmy C
 
Nope

He is busy posting a similar request on DOG (DeWalt Owners Club) asking members to justify the purchase costs of the DW368 against the Jinglang Ts666 which is exactly 12 time cheaper. ;D
 
Llap Goch said:
Nope

He is busy posting a similar request on DOG (DeWalt Owners Club) asking members to justify the purchase costs of the DW368 against the Jinglang Ts666 which is exactly 12 time cheaper. ;D

Not at all, just letting people state their cases and people have been very generous in that respect on this board. I had a chap come around to my home yesterday to buy a Makita SCMS that had been kicking around for a while and he owned the festo 55 saw. He spoke well of the saw but after I showed him my own set up he said he didn't think I would gain much more by getting one. Most of the benefits are quite simple to replicate, for example 'no clamps', I can get double sided foam tape from the pound shop along with some blackboard chalk, stick it on the underside of a home made guide, lightly dress the exposed face with the chalk until the stickiness has gone and it will grip just like the festo one does. Just used this for a kitchen fit and it was faultless. Maybe even useful to you guys for occassional rails.
So at the moment I think I am going to stick with this Worx revolver and see where it leads and what its limitations are. I know myself too well though and I know that once a seed is set it is usually only a matter of time ;)
Thanks again
TC
 
The drills for one.  And although I like them, the jig saws are overpriced when you compare them to the bosch 1590/1591.  The festool might be slightly better than the bosch but you can get the bosch for $150 whereas the festools are $280.  Even the slightly better is a judgment call, I've seen a lot of people say they like the bosch better tool vs. tool without including the price difference. 
 
On the subject of drills, I have a makita 14.4, a ridgid 24v li-ion, and a dewalt 18v. Really all over the map. I love(ed) them all, but I intend to trade all of them for one C12. I started out dead-set against this drill, and I had many excuses.

Among them, it's way too expensive ( !!! check the price point here in Australia), it's too light (I thought that the lack of weight would make it harder to drive screws home), that I would need at least two (one to countersink, one to drive), and that the battery would be underpowered. Not to mention when you're used to huge 18v batteries, the thing feels like a toy. After a week or so of using one at work (driving hundreds of 2" screws into subfloor, hanging ply sheathing, drilling holes in ledger boards), I'd go home and the only drill I'd use would be the Makita. I naturally gravitated towards the lightest. The C12 is not only lighter, but better balanced than any other drill I've used, which also includes the newer Panasonics and Hitachis. You can't tell the difference by hefting it for ten or fifteen minutes while you think about how expensive it is in a tool shop somewhere, you have to use it all day.

None of my other drills can become so short front to back. None have a right angle attachment. I found that the Festool 12v battery was more than sufficient, which was a surprise. The backup battery charged quickly, and I never waited on a battery. Almost best of all, I could throw it in a tool bag or pouch without hitting the trigger, because of the enclosed guard (always been a pet peeve). For that matter, it's the only one that can actually fit in a nail pouch. I love the magnet on the front, to hold the spare bit you can never seem to find when you need it. It barely feels like it's there on a tool hook on my belt, which means I can actually carry it all day, I don't have to walk over to where I left it.

If there were things I could change about it, it'd be to add an LED light, and put some numbers on the clutch ring, for reference. Everything else seems perfect after using it. If they had a small impact driver, I'd buy that as my backup for more clout, but I feel the value is definitely there.

I'm a recent convert, and even with my limited experience, I'm at the point that I'd buy on faith almost any tool they released, on the basis of performance of the other tools in the line. Totally convinced. The only hand power tool they have no equal for is the Fein Multimaster.
 
I had and still have the same thoughts you are having.  I went out and got a new PC saw and a new straight edge.  Also bought a quality blade for it.  Did it work?  Yes.  Did I like the results? NO  I still had to cut it on my table saw to get a nice splinter/chip free edge.  Are there other things that can be done to improve the results?  Sure, score it, tape it and so on....    To much hassle.  I'm anal when it comes to woodworking.  I want it perfect and precise the first time.  I only do this as a hobby but I like to have fun doing it and like to enjoy it.  That is what sold me on it!  I have fun, I enjoy it and it doesn't take me forever to complete a project.  I get the results I want the first time every time!!!  I started with a sander and vac then added the domino and then another sander and then the ts55.  I looked at the MFT but once again could not justify the cost.  Well, time has past and I finally got the MFT 1080.  My compound mitre saw got packed away!  The accuracy and simplicity of it are amazing!!!

Bottom line is do you have the money to spend and want to spend it?  Do you want precise, simple results each and every time?  If you do you will not be disappointed.

:) Tim
 
Talking about tool porn, I think Felder wins:
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If your spouse gets hot for machines, this will do it.

Maybe we need to branch this into another discussion, as we seem to be drifting!

Matthew
 
Before I knew about Festool, I fine tuned my Makita worm drive type saw, bought it a premium fine tooth blade and made an accurate guide of aluminum extrusion and 5 mm plywood.  It cut beautifully and I got joint quality rip cuts on a large number of ash boards for a kitchen/pantry cabinet job.  I was pretty happy and proud of what I had accomplished.

However the next morning I woke up hacking and coughing big time.  I also noticed every time I worked in my garage shop after that I had the same experience.  Turned out I had developed an alergy to saw dust.

With Festool, I still use a dust mask, but it is amazing what I can do with no after effect.

I considered building a dedicated shop complete with proper dust collection, etc., but the cost of that far exceeds the cost of Festool saws and sanders that don't need heavy duty external dust collection.  In the  process I have saved much more than I spent.

 
jo041326 said:
I've build a house and had not enough money for good furniture. Instead of buying cheap one I have bought TS55, MFT1080, CT22, PS300, RO150, C12, OF1400 and Domino. Yes, a lot of money. But even if I am just a hobby woodworker, self learner and a beginner, I did a lot of stuff and all VERY quickly, dust free and I was really enjoying the work.
Every visitor is surprised with the furniture and I have a lot of orders from my friends. So my Festool is nearly paid.
Joseph

I am interested in the same.  Any good shots of some of the furniture that you made?

Chuck
 
topchippie,
So...after all this discussion, how did things turn out for you on the Festool question?  Do you "get it" now, or are there still elements of the system that are not clear?  The Festool system can be confusing to anyone at first because of all the options, which is why we have these discussions.

You asked a lot of good questions.  Also, I see that you posted questions about the tools in other discussions as well.  Sounds like you are really trying to do your homework!

Let us know how your decisions are coming along, and if you need any more help.

Thanks,
Matthew
 
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