SYS3 Rack and S 76 for Dominos??? Or Sortainer???

[Forged3D]

We are weighing the options of moving our DF500 dominos from their older T-LOC Systainer to either S76s in the new SYS3 Rack or to a Sortainer.  We are going one direction or another, but are wrestling with what is the best fit.  Being able to grab a S76 to take to the bench or to take onsite is interesting, but grabbing a bin out of a Sortainer to do the same thing also seems to have one less step.

Has anyone made a similar move or used a S 76 or SYS-Mini as storage for their dominos? Probably overthinking it, but thought you guys could weigh in.

 

[mino]

Do not have a Domino, but voting for a Combi SYS 2.

Can put three Domino types in the drawer plus small bags of the odd sizes in the tool area, easily covering all sizes. A pair of S76s would work too, but presumes you have the other four filled with something sensible. Not good as that then "couples" a big Rack to the D500. Not flexible => not good. Carrying the minis around standalone is a PITA, the Rack was created to address that issue actually ..

Context:
The usual problem with Combies, why they are so rare, is they tend to be too heavy/cumbersome with the tool and full drawer of screws etc. yet never big-enough to fit all the supplies one may need. I tried them with a drill, an angle grinder and a router. Faces the same problem each time. Now the one I kept serves for the various silicone/glue tubes where tubes go top and guns bottom. Not have many tubes, so all fits in an that works well.

The D500 is exactly the type of a tool where these are non-issue:
- you want/need to take standard-yet-specific supplies with it all the time, be it around shop or away and they fit in the drawer
- the supplies are light, avoiding the weight issue plaguing most use cases

 

[woodferret]

Oddly, I'm leaning towards taking one of my old T-Loc 3-drawers and dedicating it to domino storage. I blame having bought the lamello zeta drawer kit which did the same for its connectors.  I usually grab a org bin and walk up to it to load up the counts on my BOM.  Having quick access to just grab one domino/biscuit to double check sizing is also a plus.  I don't think I'd like having to debank a sys mini and fumbling with it.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

I'm in a somewhat similar situation, in my case it's sorting out how to best store an "at-hand" inventory of dowels in my shop.

My current dowel inventory is 10mm x 100mm, 12mm x 100mm, and 16mm x 150mm. I purchase them in 10kg quantities, and don't want to keep the entire inventory in my relatively small shop, just enough to complete a few doors or windows.

I like the suggestions from [member=61254]mino[/member] on the Combi Sys, and [member=72072]woodferret[/member] on the 3-drawer Sortainer.

For my dowel project, I'll probably opt for the 3-drawer Sortainer (10mm x 100mm top drawer, 12mm x 100mm middle drawer, 16mm x 150mm dowels bottom drawer), or, frankly, I may just opt for the Sort-Sys3 M187 Domino, since it is already conveniently divided into three sections.

Depending on how you're set up (shop work, on-site work, etc...), one benefit of a Combi Sys or Sortainer is that you can access the dowels, Dominos, or other components with the Systainer in the middle of a stack, whereas the Sort-Sys3 Domino or Sortainer requires the Systainer to be at the top of the stack, or opening a Sys-AZ drawer.....

Curious to hear what you ultimately select, and what your experience is after having put it to use for a few months.

 

[semenza]

Depends how you are using the tool and tenons. I use my domino almost exclusively in the shop.

      I originally thought a combi would be perfect. Tool in top dominos in drawer. Then I realized that I almost never use the tool and the tenons at the same time.  Generally not even the same day.

    So tool in Sys and Dominos in another assortment Sys.  Yup. Then I realized that I never need more than one size at time.

      So for me the rack with one size in each small Sys would actually be the best.

Seth

 

[luvmytoolz]

Oddly, I'm leaning towards taking one of my old T-Loc 3-drawers and dedicating it to domino storage. I blame having bought the lamello zeta drawer kit which did the same for its connectors.  I usually grab a org bin and walk up to it to load up the counts on my BOM.  Having quick access to just grab one domino/biscuit to double check sizing is also a plus.  I don't think I'd like having to debank a sys mini and fumbling with it.

Same here! After using the Sort 3 that came with the Zeta, I now plan to get several more to keep an amount of working stock handy and reachable of dowels, Domino's, etc, topping up with the bulk stock kept in larger Sys2/Sys3 cases.

 

[Crazyraceguy]

I use a Combi for my Dominos, but it's kind of me being a bit extra.  [unsure]
I have my Domino (DF500) in its original Systainer, the assortment Systainer below it, in the Sysport.
Next level down is the Combi. It holds the bags of 6mm Dominos, since I buy them in the big box. The 6 bags fit perfectly in the upper chamber. I keep a few bags of 5mm in the drawer.
My intent, when I bought it, was to move the Domino itself into the top part and have tenons below, same as Seth. I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I just left that Combi sitting there empty, mocking me, until I ran low on the first bag of 6mm tenons. When that box came, so did they idea to store them there.

[member=2726]Tom Gensmer[/member] it sounds like you are on the right track. A Domino Sys should be great, since you are, conveniently enough, dealing with 3 sizes.
The drawers of the Sortainer might be easier, depending on how you store/use Systainers. In a Sysport, you wouldn't have to pull out the entire drawer and open the lid. You could just open the smaller one of the exact size needed. Mine is so low in the stack, that opening the lowest drawers wouldn't be as easy as opening the top.

I don't think I'd like having to debank a sys mini and fumbling with it.

Mine is not the same as the Festool rack, more like a super-mini Sysport, but it's not that bad to use.
I have Shaper Origin parts, router bits, and some odd hardware in them. I built it with the intent to add a cleat to the back and hang it on the wall, in my home shop. Once I retire, that is still the plan, but for now, it sits on the back of my miter saw wings.

 

[Tom the Remodeler]

[member=2726]Tom Gensmer[/member] it sounds like you are on the right track. A Domino Sys should be great, since you are, conveniently enough, dealing with 3 sizes.
The drawers of the Sortainer might be easier, depending on how you store/use Systainers. In a Sysport, you wouldn't have to pull out the entire drawer and open the lid. You could just open the smaller one of the exact size needed. Mine is so low in the stack, that opening the lowest drawers wouldn't be as easy as opening the top.

[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] , yeah either option (Domino Sys or 3 drawer Sortainer) would work great for my three dowel sizes. The T-Loc Domino Sys had three removable bins, I see that the Sys3 Domino Sys just has dividers. On the other hand, with the 3 drawer Sortainer I could either place a few divider bins in the drawer, or simply remove the entire drawer and take it to my work bench when assembling. The more I'm thinking about it, the more I'm inclined to lean towards the 3 drawer Sortainer, but that's just me and my somewhat specialized application (dowels). I suppose I should see how efficiently the 100mm and 150mm length dowels fit in the drawers.....

Looking at the Domino Sys, I'm realizing it could also be a good candidate for other bulk fasteners such as GRK R4 screws that, depending on the project, I might go through several hundred fasteners in a given day. Sort of like a super-sized Sortainer, would be handy on a framing project where I'd be going through a lot of a given range of fasteners.

I do have one of the S 76/Rack setups, but still can't quite come up with the appropriate application for it....

 

[Crazyraceguy]

We are weighing the options of moving our DF500 dominos from their older T-LOC Systainer to either S76s in the new SYS3 Rack or to a Sortainer.  We are going one direction or another, but are wrestling with what is the best fit.  Being able to grab a S76 to take to the bench or to take onsite is interesting, but grabbing a bin out of a Sortainer to do the same thing also seems to have one less step.

Has anyone made a similar move or used a S 76 or SYS-Mini as storage for their dominos? Probably overthinking it, but thought you guys could weigh in.

I have a couple of the Organizers. One is the Festool installer's one, with the driver tips and the tiny little bins. The other one has bigger bins. I keep small-quantity hardware in them.
The screws I use most often are in some much bigger bins, on a shelf, pretty much at eye level, behind my back bench.
Same as you, I can go through hundreds in a day. Narrow-crown staples too. I can go through dozens of sticks of those, in a day too. Then other days, not one. It just depends.

I'm somewhat of a hoarder though, I also have dozens of other bins in a wide, shallow drawer. All with different types of screws, bolts, nuts, washers, etc. Some think it's crazy, until they need something.....and I have it. (and know where it is)

 

[Forged3D]

Oddly, I'm leaning towards taking one of my old T-Loc 3-drawers and dedicating it to domino storage. I blame having bought the lamello zeta drawer kit which did the same for its connectors.  I usually grab a org bin and walk up to it to load up the counts on my BOM.  Having quick access to just grab one domino/biscuit to double check sizing is also a plus.  I don't think I'd like having to debank a sys mini and fumbling with it.

Wood.. Our Lamello addition was also the impetus for examining better accessibility for our dominos. The SYS3 Sortainer/3 is the way we are leaning, but the SYS3 Rack is intriguing. I agree that having to un-rack AND open the S 76 is a hurdle that I’m not sure we want to have to monkey with, but thought by asking a wider audience for input it would reinforce this worry or clear it from the equation.

For the gents recommending a Combi, we have a couple of them and they are probably our least favorite Systainer, only the SYS3 Sortainer/2 is lower on the list at the moment.  Our favorite solution is still the T-LOC SYS-SORT IV/3 as the drawers are SOOO much better than the new Sortainer/3.

While we wait for Systainer Store to restock on SYS3 Sortainer/3s, we will put some 5s and 6s in a S76 to give it a go for a bit as a test and see how we like it.  Then we can make a decision on SYS3 Rack vs Sortainer/3.  We’ll let you know how it turns out.

 

[semenza]

Oddly, I'm leaning towards taking one of my old T-Loc 3-drawers and dedicating it to domino storage. I blame having bought the lamello zeta drawer kit which did the same for its connectors.  I usually grab a org bin and walk up to it to load up the counts on my BOM.  Having quick access to just grab one domino/biscuit to double check sizing is also a plus.  I don't think I'd like having to debank a sys mini and fumbling with it.

Wood.. Our Lamello addition was also the impetus for examining better accessibility for our dominos. The SYS3 Sortainer/3 is the way we are leaning, but the SYS3 Rack is intriguing. I agree that having to un-rack AND open the S 76 is a hurdle that I’m not sure we want to have to monkey with, but thought by asking a wider audience for input it would reinforce this worry or clear it from the equation.

For the gents recommending a Combi, we have a couple of them and they are probably our least favorite Systainer, only the SYS3 Sortainer/2 is lower on the list at the moment.  Our favorite solution is still the T-LOC SYS-SORT IV/3 as the drawers are SOOO much better than the new Sortainer/3.

While we wait for Systainer Store to restock on SYS3 Sortainer/3s, we will put some 5s and 6s in a S76 to give it a go for a bit as a test and see how we like it.  Then we can make a decision on SYS3 Rack vs Sortainer/3.  We’ll let you know how it turns out.

  What am I missing aren't these drawers basically the same?

Seth

 

[Hawkeye0001]

The Sys Sort adds tons of height and weight as does the Sys Rack.

I'd propose two alternative options:

Option 1) leave the DF 500 in a normal systainer and put the dominos into a Sys Org M 89 or two. The available inserts allow for plenty options; smaller dominos require less space for the same amount than big ones, you should be able to fit a selection of all six sizes.

Option 2) make a Frankentainer out of a Sys Combi + an extra Sys Sort drawer, that way you can add a second drawer under the Domino. Again, fully stocked it'll be on the heavy side but it's a very flexible option as the drawers can be used with the dividers, with Sys Org boxes or simply be unclipped as a whole and taken to the workbench (my favorite secret feature of the Sys Sort btw). If you do two rows of drawers you should even find space for the glue bottle.

 

[woodferret]

  What am I missing aren't these drawers basically the same?

Seth

I'll miss the push-tabs on the side of the drawers.  Makes for removal easier than having to do a tilt/yank.

 

[Forged3D]

  What am I missing aren't these drawers basically the same?

Seth

The SYS-SORT IV/3 has push tabs on the side that keep the drawer in place for the full travel.  The new SYS3 Sortainer doesn't have the positive lock... Simply lift the front to dip under the rear catch... It is MUCH easier to bring the drawer out when you don't mean to and deposit your goodies ALL over the place.

The Sys Sort adds tons of height and weight as does the Sys Rack.

I'd propose two alternative options:

Option 1) leave the DF 500 in a normal systainer and put the dominos into a Sys Org M 89 or two. The available inserts allow for plenty options; smaller dominos require less space for the same amount than big ones, you should be able to fit a selection of all six sizes.

Option 2) make a Frankentainer out of a Sys Combi + an extra Sys Sort drawer, that way you can add a second drawer under the Domino. Again, fully stocked it'll be on the heavy side but it's a very flexible option as the drawers can be used with the dividers, with Sys Org boxes or simply be unclipped as a whole and taken to the workbench (my favorite secret feature of the Sys Sort btw). If you do two rows of drawers you should even find space for the glue bottle.

Oh we aren't looking to move the DF500 into a different Systainer, it now stays out with a cradle / shelf for it on our french cleat wall so we don't have to retrieve it from a Systainer.  Drills, drivers, DF500, Zeta P2, OF1010 (as soon as it arrives), ETSC150 and our other various trim routers all are now at an arms reach on the wall, TSC55 has a spot directly under the workbench for easy access... Anything else is in its original Systainer... Weekly accessed tools in a SYS-AZ cabinet...  Biweekly accessed tools (OF1400, Shaper, DF700, etc) in a double deep drawer system under the Kapex... Monthly or less frequently accessed tools (HL850, TS75, etc) in a SYS3 cabinet with either Tanos rails or our SYS-RLZ

We are awash in in SYS-ORG M89s in the shop, this is our primary storage solution for fasteners, bits and bobs, etc.  I'd need my fingers and toes and then some to count the number of M89s we have floating around.  That is an option, but a SYS3 Rack or SYS3 Sortainer felt like a better option and beside variety is the spice of life!

 

[luvmytoolz]

The SYS-SORT IV/3 has push tabs on the side that keep the drawer in place for the full travel.  The new SYS3 Sortainer doesn't have the positive lock... Simply lift the front to dip under the rear catch... It is MUCH easier to bring the drawer out when you don't mean to and deposit your goodies ALL over the place.

Handy to know thanks! Just ordered another 2 of the older style that were on special!

The newer one's would be a disaster in my hands!