Systainer mounted 110 V Transformer - only for the UK

[egapeg]

Being a newly converted Festool Junkie I am wondering if anybody would be interested in a Systainer mounted 110v transformer. For those of you who think this a bit of a weird concept let me explain H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered - the reason being that apparently 55V won't kill you as much as 240V  [big grin] [unsure].

Anyway for those of us lucky soles who have to lug one of these heavy things to and from site I think that a ruggedised systainer with an inbuilt transformer with additional space for extension leads  inside the systainer. The 240V power in would use a "Plug it" lead and all of the outlets would be inside. Also using auto sensing circuitry a separate outlet could be used to power other proprietary brand vacuum cleaners.

This would make an ideal addition to a well though out range of tools. Tanos (who make the systainers) even make a daffodil yellow systainer. Only problem might be price but there again it will make life easier.

Anybody who thinks this would be a good idea can contact me through this forum

 

[jonny round boy]

You could easily make your own. Mount a plug-it socket inside the systainer, wired to the inlet. unscrew the 110V sockets from the transformer case, and mount them to the outside of the systainer instead. Or, if you wanted them recessed, make a simple recess in the systainer & mount them there. Bolt the transformer to the base, and that's it.

H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered

This has been discussed before on here, and on other forums. As far as I know, there's no *actual* law/regulation that states this, it's just a non-rule that site managers stick to. Another reason why I have never done and probably will never do site work.

Personally, I'd much rather use 230V on an RCD than 110V without.

 

[jmbfestool]

You could easily make your own. Mount a plug-it socket inside the systainer, wired to the inlet. unscrew the 110V sockets from the transformer case, and mount them to the outside of the systainer instead. Or, if you wanted them recessed, make a simple recess in the systainer & mount them there. Bolt the transformer to the base, and that's it.

H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered

This has been discussed before on here, and on other forums. As far as I know, there's no *actual* law/regulation that states this, it's just a non-rule that site managers stick to. Another reason why I have never done and probably will never do site work.

Personally, I'd much rather use 230V on an RCD than 110V without.

I agree Completely.  There is no actual law saying you have to have 110V  its just site managers covering their selfs in case of an accident.   Using a RCD will allow you to go on site but like I said site managers are just idiots and wont let you.

The thing is  its a stupid rule sites have as your more likely to drill a 240V in a wall than your are your own cable.

I dont like 110v cus one cant be bothered to carry the transformer also its easy to over load them 3.3kw  when you have halogen lights and then some one using a saw and your SDS or something.  Which then you need to get a much larger transformer which is stupidly heavy!

Also I think 240V tools run much better and are more powerfull than the 110V tools.   The festool EHL 85 planer 110v does  not have electronic brake but the 240v does why?!?! lack of power?!?!?

All my tools are 240V and all jobs I go on let you run 240v  because most the time you need to run a 240v lead to run your transformer so stupid really.

My mate worked for Cadburys for a bit and one of the site manger was RIDICULOUS! The other was okay so two different rules on one job.  Any way the one which was RIDICULOUS.  

1. Wouldnt let your charge your batteries even though their is a socket right next to where you was working you had to charge in the cabin which was 10 min walk away

2. Couldnt use steps had to use scaffold platform to to change a light bulb!

3. Couldnt lean anything on a wall. Spirit levels, brushes all had to be laid down on the floor.

4. Had to tape down all leads on the floor.

5. Had to have all tools tested before coming on site. Costing my mate 28 quid a tool!!  So my mate and his mate decided to just have some of their tools done and borrow each others.

6. Had to wear a hard hat and hivis  even though people in the factory right next to them didnt have to wear a hard hat.

Basically Site is rubbish and isnt worth the hassle unless its really good money!

JMB

Edited:

OH

If I had to go on site!  I would use my broken transformer and connect the wires directly to the outlet  thus having 240V which looks like a 110v I would then buy some new festool plug-in leads and put a 110v socket on it. So I would have 240v tools which look liek 110v on a transformer which is running 240v  So the site would think I would be running 110v!     

Only thing is I would have to make sure no one decides to use my transformer and blow their tools up! Haaa Haaa!

 

[joiner1970]

I really cannot understand people who moan about having to use 110v I just take as a fact of life and ever since I started in the business 20 years ago I have bought everything in 110v whats the big gripe with using 110v ??? Sorry Jonny if it sounds like Im having a go at you but I just dont see the problem and I dont just do site work Im often in private houses etc too.

 

[jmbfestool]

I really cannot understand people who moan about having to use 110v I just take as a fact of life and ever since I started in the business 20 years ago I have bought everything in 110v whats the big gripe with using 110v ??? Sorry Jonny if it sounds like Im having a go at you but I just dont see the problem and I dont just do site work Im often in private houses etc too.

Many reasons like mentioned above!  Extra trip to the van  or even two   if you loading your van back up at the end of the day.  Some tools require bigger transformers so its another trip to the van to carry a really heavy  two hander transformer.  I wouldnt mind if it was just a fact of life that you need a transformer but you DONT need  its just the some one to blame culture why sites make you use 110V thats what gets me.

  Why?! Why?!  your just wasting more energy converting electricity again to a lower voltage.    If we have to have 110 on site why not just make  UK 110v like America why do we have 240v in the UK doesnt make sence to keep converting from power station  to be transformer up  then to go to a anther to transformer to 240 to a house to transformer it again to a power tool.

Just stupid thats why I moan about it. Just doesnt make sence no need to it.  

Its just the some one to blame culture why sites make you use 110V

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

You could easily make your own. Mount a plug-it socket inside the systainer, wired to the inlet. unscrew the 110V sockets from the transformer case, and mount them to the outside of the systainer instead. Or, if you wanted them recessed, make a simple recess in the systainer & mount them there. Bolt the transformer to the base, and that's it.

H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered

This has been discussed before on here, and on other forums. As far as I know, there's no *actual* law/regulation that states this, it's just a non-rule that site managers stick to. Another reason why I have never done and probably will never do site work.

Personally, I'd much rather use 230V on an RCD than 110V without.

I agree Completely.  There is no actual law saying you have to have 110V  its just site managers covering their selfs in case of an accident.   Using a RCD will allow you to go on site but like I said site managers are just idiots and wont let you.

The thing is  its a stupid rule sites have as your more likely to drill a 240V in a wall than your are your own cable.

I dont like 110v cus one cant be bothered to carry the transformer also its easy to over load them 3.3kw  when you have halogen lights and then some one using a saw and your SDS or something.  Which then you need to get a much larger transformer which is stupidly heavy!

Also I think 240V tools run much better and are more powerfull than the 110V tools.   The festool EHL 85 planer 110v does  not have electronic brake but the 240v does why?!?! lack of power?!?!?

All my tools are 240V and all jobs I go on let you run 240v  because most the time you need to run a 240v lead to run your transformer so stupid really.

My mate worked for Cadburys for a bit and one of the site manger was RIDICULOUS! The other was okay so two different rules on one job.  Any way the one which was RIDICULOUS.  

1. Wouldnt let your charge your batteries even though their is a socket right next to where you was working you had to charge in the cabin which was 10 min walk away

2. Couldnt use steps had to use scaffold platform to to change a light bulb!

3. Couldnt lean anything on a wall. Spirit levels, brushes all had to be laid down on the floor.

4. Had to tape down all leads on the floor.

5. Had to have all tools tested before coming on site. Costing my mate 28 quid a tool!!  So my mate and his mate decided to just have some of their tools done and borrow each others.

6. Had to wear a hard hat and hivis  even though people in the factory right next to them didnt have to wear a hard hat.

Basically Site is rubbish and isnt worth the hassle unless its really good money!

JMB

Edited:

OH

If I had to go on site!   I would use my broken transformer and connect the wires directly to the outlet  thus having 240V which looks like a 110v I would then buy some new festool plug-in leads and put a 110v socket on it. So I would have 240v tools which look liek 110v on a transformer which is running 240v   So the site would think I would be running 110v!     

Only thing is I would have to make sure no one decides to use my transformer and blow their tools up! Haaa Haaa!

OR buy 110v leads, what kind of retard runs a 240 lead to a tranny. What the problem with a transformer, weighs less than a bloody chopsaw. Most bigger sites have a transformer for you to use, i large 1 with alot more outlets.

i like to be flexible, if work dries up and you have to turn to site work what you gonna do??

also the way 110v plugs stay together is much better.

only thing i change is a longer lead on the tranny so when plugged in a kitchen it stays on the floor,

 

[Deansocial]

I really cannot understand people who moan about having to use 110v I just take as a fact of life and ever since I started in the business 20 years ago I have bought everything in 110v whats the big gripe with using 110v ??? Sorry Jonny if it sounds like Im having a go at you but I just dont see the problem and I dont just do site work Im often in private houses etc too.

Many reasons like mentioned above!  Extra trip to the van  or even two   if you loading your van back up at the end of the day.  Some tools require bigger transformers so its another trip to the van to carry a really heavy  two hander transformer.   Why?! Why?!  your just wasting more energy converting electricity again to a lower voltage.    If we have to have 110 on site why not just make  UK 110v like America why do we have 240v in the UK doesnt make sence to keep converting from power station  to be transformer up  then to go to a anther to transformer to 240 to a house to transformer it again to a power tool.

Just stupid thats why I moan about it. Just doesnt make sence no need to it.  

Its just the some one to blame culture why sites make you use 110V

JMB

how would it mean 2 extra trips????

 

[jmbfestool]

I really cannot understand people who moan about having to use 110v I just take as a fact of life and ever since I started in the business 20 years ago I have bought everything in 110v whats the big gripe with using 110v ??? Sorry Jonny if it sounds like Im having a go at you but I just dont see the problem and I dont just do site work Im often in private houses etc too.

Many reasons like mentioned above!  Extra trip to the van  or even two   if you loading your van back up at the end of the day.  Some tools require bigger transformers so its another trip to the van to carry a really heavy  two hander transformer.   Why?! Why?!  your just wasting more energy converting electricity again to a lower voltage.    If we have to have 110 on site why not just make  UK 110v like America why do we have 240v in the UK doesnt make sence to keep converting from power station  to be transformer up  then to go to a anther to transformer to 240 to a house to transformer it again to a power tool.

Just stupid thats why I moan about it. Just doesnt make sence no need to it.  

Its just the some one to blame culture why sites make you use 110V

JMB

how would it mean 2 extra trips????

both hands full on the first trip unloading your van  you then need to go and get the transformer!  You have both hands full on the first trip loading your van and you then need to get your transformer.    You get it?!

 

[jmbfestool]

You could easily make your own. Mount a plug-it socket inside the systainer, wired to the inlet. unscrew the 110V sockets from the transformer case, and mount them to the outside of the systainer instead. Or, if you wanted them recessed, make a simple recess in the systainer & mount them there. Bolt the transformer to the base, and that's it.

H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered

This has been discussed before on here, and on other forums. As far as I know, there's no *actual* law/regulation that states this, it's just a non-rule that site managers stick to. Another reason why I have never done and probably will never do site work.

Personally, I'd much rather use 230V on an RCD than 110V without.

I agree Completely.  There is no actual law saying you have to have 110V  its just site managers covering their selfs in case of an accident.   Using a RCD will allow you to go on site but like I said site managers are just idiots and wont let you.

The thing is  its a stupid rule sites have as your more likely to drill a 240V in a wall than your are your own cable.

I dont like 110v cus one cant be bothered to carry the transformer also its easy to over load them 3.3kw  when you have halogen lights and then some one using a saw and your SDS or something.  Which then you need to get a much larger transformer which is stupidly heavy!

Also I think 240V tools run much better and are more powerfull than the 110V tools.   The festool EHL 85 planer 110v does  not have electronic brake but the 240v does why?!?! lack of power?!?!?

All my tools are 240V and all jobs I go on let you run 240v  because most the time you need to run a 240v lead to run your transformer so stupid really.

My mate worked for Cadburys for a bit and one of the site manger was RIDICULOUS! The other was okay so two different rules on one job.  Any way the one which was RIDICULOUS.  

1. Wouldnt let your charge your batteries even though their is a socket right next to where you was working you had to charge in the cabin which was 10 min walk away

2. Couldnt use steps had to use scaffold platform to to change a light bulb!

3. Couldnt lean anything on a wall. Spirit levels, brushes all had to be laid down on the floor.

4. Had to tape down all leads on the floor.

5. Had to have all tools tested before coming on site. Costing my mate 28 quid a tool!!  So my mate and his mate decided to just have some of their tools done and borrow each others.

6. Had to wear a hard hat and hivis  even though people in the factory right next to them didnt have to wear a hard hat.

Basically Site is rubbish and isnt worth the hassle unless its really good money!

JMB

Edited:

OH

If I had to go on site!   I would use my broken transformer and connect the wires directly to the outlet  thus having 240V which looks like a 110v I would then buy some new festool plug-in leads and put a 110v socket on it. So I would have 240v tools which look liek 110v on a transformer which is running 240v   So the site would think I would be running 110v!     

Only thing is I would have to make sure no one decides to use my transformer and blow their tools up! Haaa Haaa!

OR buy 110v leads, what kind of retard runs a 240 lead to a tranny. What the problem with a transformer, weighs less than a bloody chopsaw. Most bigger sites have a transformer for you to use, i large 1 with alot more outlets.

i like to be flexible, if work dries up and you have to turn to site work what you gonna do??

also the way 110v plugs stay together is much better.

only thing i change is a longer lead on the tranny so when plugged in a kitchen it stays on the floor,

Well i have a complete cordless set of tools with about 13 batteries 3,0ahm  All I would have to get is a 110 electric planer and chop saw.

 

[Deansocial]

nope, dont get it, i count that as 1 extra trip. sack trolley with tools on the tranny on top is what i do=1 trip

 

[jmbfestool]

You could easily make your own. Mount a plug-it socket inside the systainer, wired to the inlet. unscrew the 110V sockets from the transformer case, and mount them to the outside of the systainer instead. Or, if you wanted them recessed, make a simple recess in the systainer & mount them there. Bolt the transformer to the base, and that's it.

H & S requires that all Site equipment used on commercial building sites should be 110 CTE powered

This has been discussed before on here, and on other forums. As far as I know, there's no *actual* law/regulation that states this, it's just a non-rule that site managers stick to. Another reason why I have never done and probably will never do site work.

Personally, I'd much rather use 230V on an RCD than 110V without.

I agree Completely.  There is no actual law saying you have to have 110V  its just site managers covering their selfs in case of an accident.   Using a RCD will allow you to go on site but like I said site managers are just idiots and wont let you.

The thing is  its a stupid rule sites have as your more likely to drill a 240V in a wall than your are your own cable.

I dont like 110v cus one cant be bothered to carry the transformer also its easy to over load them 3.3kw  when you have halogen lights and then some one using a saw and your SDS or something.  Which then you need to get a much larger transformer which is stupidly heavy!

Also I think 240V tools run much better and are more powerfull than the 110V tools.   The festool EHL 85 planer 110v does  not have electronic brake but the 240v does why?!?! lack of power?!?!?

All my tools are 240V and all jobs I go on let you run 240v  because most the time you need to run a 240v lead to run your transformer so stupid really.

My mate worked for Cadburys for a bit and one of the site manger was RIDICULOUS! The other was okay so two different rules on one job.  Any way the one which was RIDICULOUS.  

1. Wouldnt let your charge your batteries even though their is a socket right next to where you was working you had to charge in the cabin which was 10 min walk away

2. Couldnt use steps had to use scaffold platform to to change a light bulb!

3. Couldnt lean anything on a wall. Spirit levels, brushes all had to be laid down on the floor.

4. Had to tape down all leads on the floor.

5. Had to have all tools tested before coming on site. Costing my mate 28 quid a tool!!  So my mate and his mate decided to just have some of their tools done and borrow each others.

6. Had to wear a hard hat and hivis  even though people in the factory right next to them didnt have to wear a hard hat.

Basically Site is rubbish and isnt worth the hassle unless its really good money!

JMB

Edited:

OH

If I had to go on site!   I would use my broken transformer and connect the wires directly to the outlet  thus having 240V which looks like a 110v I would then buy some new festool plug-in leads and put a 110v socket on it. So I would have 240v tools which look liek 110v on a transformer which is running 240v   So the site would think I would be running 110v!     

Only thing is I would have to make sure no one decides to use my transformer and blow their tools up! Haaa Haaa!

OR buy 110v leads, what kind of retard runs a 240 lead to a tranny. What the problem with a transformer, weighs less than a bloody chopsaw. Most bigger sites have a transformer for you to use, i large 1 with alot more outlets.

i like to be flexible, if work dries up and you have to turn to site work what you gonna do??

also the way 110v plugs stay together is much better.

only thing i change is a longer lead on the tranny so when plugged in a kitchen it stays on the floor,

Well must be alot of people then who are retards!  alot of small sites I go on have 240 leads running to the transformers  you go and tell them they are retards!

 

[jmbfestool]

nope, dont get it, i count that as 1 extra trip. sack trolley with tools on the tranny on top is what i do=1 trip

Well your sites must be very clean and you must have a lovely road made for you where you park your van to use your trolley. Does it go up stairs?!?!  Does it go upscaffold?!?!?  Does it fly?!?!

 

[Deansocial]

well they are retards in my eyes. everyone i work with that use 110v exclusively do not carry a 240v extension onto the site unless they run it for batt chargers.
as far as overloading a transformer, well thats the same as overloading a extention lead

 

[jmbfestool]

well they are retards in my eyes. everyone i work with that use 110v exclusively do not carry a 240v extension onto the site unless they run it for batt chargers.
as far as overloading a transformer, well thats the same as overloading a extention lead

HA!  So why not plug the transformer in the extension lead with the chargers?!?!

As far as overloadin  a transformer is very easily overloaded.  Well the dewalt flip saw doesnt even run on properly on 3.3kw I had to spin the blade before I pressed start as it was drawing so much power it would trip the transformer.

 

[Deansocial]

i rarley need to run an extention for a charger, there is normally a socket near by. if i did it that much i would buy http://www.toolstop.co.uk/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&product_id=8457&l=uk&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base I have never overloaded my transformer. I wouldn't have a piece of junk like a flip saw in my van.

 

[jmbfestool]

i rarley need to run an extention for a charger, there is normally a socket near by. I have never overloaded my transformer. I would have a piece of junk like a flip saw in my van.

It wasnt my flip saw so not bothered.

Any way your clearly on your period mate! Ill leave you to it.

 

[Deansocial]

on my period, were are you? still at school??  Seriously its just my opinion like you have a opinion, we are both expressing them but lets agree to disagree

 

[jmbfestool]

i rarley need to run an extention for a charger, there is normally a socket near by. if i did it that much i would buy http://www.toolstop.co.uk/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&product_id=8457&l=uk&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base I have never overloaded my transformer. I wouldn't have a piece of junk like a flip saw in my van.

You just edited you post so didnt see this.  So your transforming again!Again and Again I think you just like transformers thats why your on your high horse!

 

[jmbfestool]

on my period, were are you? still at school??  Seriously its just my opinion like you have a opinion, we are both expressing them but lets agree to disagree

No props! 

JMB

 

[Deansocial]

i rarley need to run an extention for a charger, there is normally a socket near by. if i did it that much i would buy http://www.toolstop.co.uk/index.php?option=shop&page=shop.product_details&product_id=8457&l=uk&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base I have never overloaded my transformer. I wouldn't have a piece of junk like a flip saw in my van.

You just edited you post so didnt see this.  So your transforming again!Again and Again I think you just like transformers thats why your on your high horse!

right thats it, ive had enough, wheres my phone, im ringing Optimus Prime