Systainer VS Sortimo ( Bosch using both)

[jmbfestool]

Some of bosch new tools come in a systainer  but now some of bosch tools are coming in a Sortimo case in UK  now why has bosch done that?

Have they come up with a deal with Sortimo or do they think Sortimo are better storage boxes?  Every one of my tools are kept in Festool Or Tanos systainers but I do like the Sortimo how they clip together is quicker much quicker.

Does any one own a Sortimo? Are they any good?

(Sortimo http://www.sortimo.co.uk/The-Sortimo-L-BOXX.763.0.html )

Bosch New tool with Sortimo http://www.axminster.co.uk/src/froogle/product-Bosch-GSB18-2-Li-Compact-Cordless-Combi-Drill-18V-821499.htm

 

[richard.selwyn]

Just a thought but I wonder about those tabs sticking up on the sides.  I like the flat tops on Systainers - they regularly end up as an improvised wokbench - and sometimes are used with the Kapex which was specifically designed for that.  Yes the 4 carches are a fiddle, but they dont get in the way.

Richard

 

[AlexThePalex]

Bosch started out with offering systainers. Their later models are with Sortimo boxes though. I think they might be cheaper for Bosch and that's why they are moving away from systainers. Dumb move though. I have seen these Sortimo boxes in the store but I really think they can't compare to systainers. They don't seem as strong and they have these odd shapes and stuff sticking out. I like the simple squareness of the systainers. 

 

[Frank-Jan]

I like some things about the sortimo L box, like the quick latching and unlatching, and especially the honeycomb re?nforced lids. But I don't like that the top isn't flat, and I have too many systainers already. I haven't seen them in person, so I can't comment on the sturdyness.
I think it's a pity bosch didn't go for further integration of the systainers, I was hoping I could get a few bosch maxisytainers for their big rotary hammers soon. (the latches on the old and current cases tend to break, and I can't order them as spare parts, luckily I had a few old atlas copco cases from worn battery drills that use the same latches)

 

[score0matic]

I really like the Incredible diversity of boxes  and sizes offered as OEM here in the States!!!! [huh]
It gives you the chance to devise "custom" storage solutions, and get that Xtra little workout in while making multiple trips to the truck.

Craig

 

[jmbfestool]

Does not seem like many people actually own a Sortimo box! I like the racking in the van how the boxes slide is nicely instead of festool draws which seem to bend down when your box is heavy.

 

[Forrest Anderson]

For a video of the Sortimo L-Boxx, check out this review of the small Bosch GSR 10.8 2Li drill:

Bosch GSR10.8-2-li Cordless Drill Driver - First Look

The video is shown on the Toolstop blog, which is run by a Scottish tool dealer. It is quite an interesting blog, though it tends to concentrate on Bosch products.

Forrest

 

[aloysius]

Quite a long time from the last post I know, but I'm really really impressed with the L-Boxx system.
I have a stack of them secured @ night in the workshop, and just grab what I need in seconds to load into the van for the day's work.
They lock positively and safely onto the purpose built Sortimo hand-truck.  I could imagine they could even be carried on the truck upside down!
They unlatch in seconds ready for use & they're so far proving to be showerproof.
I sometimes use a stack of them for reaching up to work on light fittings, having confidence in their insulative qualities, and I always pack one of those 2-piece worktops, one half in bare ply for cutting and chiselling and the other half covered in sheet steel with a small Record Swivelling vice for workholding, hammering etc.  It's fantastic the way it all fits away into a no. 4 box for travellin, yet only takes 30 seconds or so to assemble.
I think that Sortimo have really done their homework with these boxes, and find them absolutely ideal for mobile sitework.
they're safe, secure & relatively trouble free (sometimes you have to have a second go at pushing them together until they click).
It's not surprising Sortimo are one of the world's leading specialist toolbox manufacturers.
All my Tanos Systainer boxes now stay at home, guarding my relatively unused Festools.  Tanos makes storage boxes for tools.  Sortimo, by contrast makes an excellent integrated solution for mobile sitework.
Sounds a bit like an advertorial doesn't it?  All royalties for the use of my copy should be deposited directly into my bank a/c please!
But the best thing about L-Boxxen, as the Germans call them, is their contents.
I'm becoming a rapid convert to Bosch as one of the better site tool brands available.  Where Festools shine at work in a workshop, they tend to fail miserably on site.  With Bosch it's the opposite.  Festool makes the world's best sanders, some excellent saws (with the exceptions of the Kapex and Trion Saws, which are both quite awful in my opinion) and some barely adequate cordless tools.
Bosch makes excellent cordless tools, the world's best jigsaw, excellent corded drills, some average quality circulars, and some pretty ordinary sanders.
Festools are just out of their depth for site work, whereas Bosch is ideal.  Festools belong in a workshop, where Bosch would be found wanting.
 

 

[RonMiller]

Wow, is that last post funny! I guess the president of Bosch is named Aloysius... [laughing]

 

[Holzhacker]

I think 'Oz' is supposed to mean Australia, for that post though it may be somewhere the other side of Kansas.
I am a big Bosch fan and have lots of Bosch tools. Nonetheless I can't go along with the posters statements about how great they are. Maybe they distribute better tools down under.
The idea that Bosch makes better tools than festool doesn't really cut. I would agree that the Bosch jigsaw is the best for jobsites. The Trion is also a great jigsaw but has issues. I have both and prefer each for different types of work. Maybe the Carvex solves some of the Trion shortcomings, we'll see. I wouldn't waste my money on a Bosch circular saw or a Kapex. I love using my TS75 and everything except the weight of my Bosch SCMS. One can go back and forth all day about each tool, everyone has their preferences. The fervor of the OP seems a little off.
As far as the boxes and cart comments, those seem really way off. I looked at the Sortimo videos, except for the boxes clicking together they don't look any better or worse than a Sys. I would be a little concerned about the bottom click tabs they use breaking. It also seems you can't see whether the boxes are positively locked together or not without lifting.
The lack of a dedicated cart for Sys is a real shortcoming on Festools/Tanos part. The cart Tanos sells is too pricey and hasn't gotten good reviews. The Bosch cart however is just a repainted/relabeled superlite cart you can buy at any hardware or big box store. Nothing special, I have one sitting 20' away from me right now.
As far as durability, I've had a 6-8 Sys stack fall over in my truck numerous times, yeah you'd think I would learn, anyway not a broken or cracked Sys yet.

 

[harry_]

Quite a long time from the last post I know, but I'm really really impressed with the L-Boxx system.
I have a stack of them secured @ night in the workshop, and just grab what I need in seconds to load into the van for the day's work.
They lock positively and safely onto the purpose built Sortimo hand-truck.  I could imagine they could even be carried on the truck upside down!
They unlatch in seconds ready for use & they're so far proving to be showerproof.
I sometimes use a stack of them for reaching up to work on light fittings, having confidence in their insulative qualities, and I always pack one of those 2-piece worktops, one half in bare ply for cutting and chiselling and the other half covered in sheet steel with a small Record Swivelling vice for workholding, hammering etc.  It's fantastic the way it all fits away into a no. 4 box for travellin, yet only takes 30 seconds or so to assemble.
I think that Sortimo have really done their homework with these boxes, and find them absolutely ideal for mobile sitework.
they're safe, secure & relatively trouble free (sometimes you have to have a second go at pushing them together until they click).
It's not surprising Sortimo are one of the world's leading specialist toolbox manufacturers.
All my Tanos Systainer boxes now stay at home, guarding my relatively unused Festools.  Tanos makes storage boxes for tools.  Sortimo, by contrast makes an excellent integrated solution for mobile sitework.
Sounds a bit like an advertorial doesn't it?  All royalties for the use of my copy should be deposited directly into my bank a/c please!
But the best thing about L-Boxxen, as the Germans call them, is their contents.
I'm becoming a rapid convert to Bosch as one of the better site tool brands available.  Where Festools shine at work in a workshop, they tend to fail miserably on site.  With Bosch it's the opposite.  Festool makes the world's best sanders, some excellent saws (with the exceptions of the Kapex and Trion Saws, which are both quite awful in my opinion) and some barely adequate cordless tools.
Bosch makes excellent cordless tools, the world's best jigsaw, excellent corded drills, some average quality circulars, and some pretty ordinary sanders.
Festools are just out of their depth for site work, whereas Bosch is ideal.  Festools belong in a workshop, where Bosch would be found wanting.

Although we are all entitled to our opinions, and your is certainly as valid as any other it is not one I can concur with. Over the span of the last 3 years I have been phasing them out. Over the past 5+ years I have found the quality lacking. They have definitely 'earned their keep' however when an honest cost of use is applied, I could same the same thing about Ryobi.

I am of the opinion that they have the absolute worst customer service (with DeWalt running a very close second) in the industry. As a result of this, I have made a personal pledge to never buy another Bosch tool again. EVER.

Of course one could find fault with almost any brand tool made, for me using Festool, the faults I generally find are my own. That being having to retrain myself. Many of the techniques that I have learned to employ over the years are work-arounds to design deficiency. (read: fighting with the tool).

Would I use my TS75 (and rails) to frame out a house? No. Would I use my Bosch circular say to break down pre-finished plywood? No.
Could either task be done with either tool? With enough time and/or effort, Absolutely.

I have a Bosch 12" SCMS and although I cannot really complain about the service it has provided over the years, I think that the Kapex is a better saw (at least for how I use it). I look forward to when I can have one.

 

[jonny round boy]

Quite a long time from the last post I know, but I'm really really impressed with the L-Boxx system.
I have a stack of them secured @ night in the workshop, and just grab what I need in seconds to load into the van for the day's work.
They lock positively and safely onto the purpose built Sortimo hand-truck.  I could imagine they could even be carried on the truck upside down!
They unlatch in seconds ready for use & they're so far proving to be showerproof.
I sometimes use a stack of them for reaching up to work on light fittings, having confidence in their insulative qualities, and I always pack one of those 2-piece worktops, one half in bare ply for cutting and chiselling and the other half covered in sheet steel with a small Record Swivelling vice for workholding, hammering etc.  It's fantastic the way it all fits away into a no. 4 box for travellin, yet only takes 30 seconds or so to assemble.
I think that Sortimo have really done their homework with these boxes, and find them absolutely ideal for mobile sitework.
they're safe, secure & relatively trouble free (sometimes you have to have a second go at pushing them together until they click).
It's not surprising Sortimo are one of the world's leading specialist toolbox manufacturers.
All my Tanos Systainer boxes now stay at home, guarding my relatively unused Festools.  Tanos makes storage boxes for tools.  Sortimo, by contrast makes an excellent integrated solution for mobile sitework.
Sounds a bit like an advertorial doesn't it?  All royalties for the use of my copy should be deposited directly into my bank a/c please!
But the best thing about L-Boxxen, as the Germans call them, is their contents.
I'm becoming a rapid convert to Bosch as one of the better site tool brands available.  Where Festools shine at work in a workshop, they tend to fail miserably on site.  With Bosch it's the opposite.  Festool makes the world's best sanders, some excellent saws (with the exceptions of the Kapex and Trion Saws, which are both quite awful in my opinion) and some barely adequate cordless tools.
Bosch makes excellent cordless tools, the world's best jigsaw, excellent corded drills, some average quality circulars, and some pretty ordinary sanders.
Festools are just out of their depth for site work, whereas Bosch is ideal.  Festools belong in a workshop, where Bosch would be found wanting.
 

So what makes the L-Boxxes so much better than systainers? Aren't they pretty much the same thing? A plastic (ABS) box for storing tools in, that latch together for transport. That's all. There's nothing radical or revolutionary about the L-Boxx - in fact, Tanos sued Sortimo (the makers of the L-Boxx) for essentially copying the systainer idea, and won. Sortimo now pay a royalty to Tanos for every L-Boxx that is sold...

 

[jvsteenb]

Just take a look at the two other posts by this member.

Everyone is entitled to have an opinion ( one of Clint Eastwood's statements comes to mind ) but it would be nice if one would at least have the decency to at least pretend to have some real knowledge about the tools.
Unless "site work" means something completely different in OZ ( Which I also assume is down under ) this poster clearly hasn't got a clue about the true value of Festool, because that's exactly where they shine, and make you money.
But if "site work" means " rough carpentry ( or "first fix" as it's supposedly called in the UK ) then other tools may be better equipped - Protool might suit him, but sadly they don't come in Sortimo's....

Regards,

Job

 

[jonny round boy]

I have a stack of them secured @ night in the workshop, and just grab what I need in seconds to load into the van for the day's work.

So, like systainers then.

They lock positively and safely onto the purpose built Sortimo hand-truck.

Not according to their literature - they don't lock on to the hand truck (it's just a standard folding cart) - Sortimo sell a strap to hold them on with.

I could imagine they could even be carried on the truck upside down!

So could systainers, but then again, why would you want to do that?

They unlatch in seconds ready for use...

...like systainers...

...& they're so far proving to be showerproof.

...like systainers...

I sometimes use a stack of them for reaching up to work on light fittings, having confidence in their insulative qualities...

Yes, they would be insulative, being made of ABS (like systainers...)

I always pack one of those 2-piece worktops, one half in bare ply for cutting and chiselling and the other half covered in sheet steel with a small Record Swivelling vice for workholding, hammering etc.  It's fantastic the way it all fits away into a no. 4 box for travellin, yet only takes 30 seconds or so to assemble.

Ah yes, I knew you'd get to a valid point eventually! Yes, sortimo make a 'worktop' that clips to the top of the box. Seems like a good idea. Tanos don't have one of those. Still, it's not something that couldn't be made from a scrap of ply in 30 minutes, if you really wanted a worktop the size of a piece of A4...

I think that Sortimo have really done their homework with these boxes...

Yes, they went out and bought a systainer...

...and find them absolutely ideal for mobile sitework.

Like many, many people do with systainers...

they're safe, secure & relatively trouble free

...like systainers...

(I feel like I'm repeating myself here...)

It's not surprising Sortimo are one of the world's leading specialist toolbox manufacturers

...so, kind of like Tanos then...

All my Tanos Systainer boxes now stay at home, guarding my relatively unused Festools

I'm sure someone here would be willing to dispose of them for you, for a small fee!

Tanos makes storage boxes for tools.  Sortimo, by contrast makes an excellent integrated solution for mobile sitework.

Tanos make an excellent integrated solution too, in fact theirs is more 'integrated' than Sortimo, since sortimo make several other box systems that can't be integrated with the L-Boxx

Sounds a bit like an advertorial doesn't it?

Really? I didn't think so...

[big grin]

 

[mouppe]

Of your 3 posts, one is about Sortimo being better than systainers, one is about Bosch being better than Festool and the third is about Metabo. I just don't see why you would want to associate with everyone here, who largely are proud and happy Festool owners. Remains me of a certain Mr. John Distai...

So why exactly did you join the Festool Owners Group? Was it so that you could use the classified section to sell your unwanted Festools?

In which case,  [welcome] to the FOG!

 

[Kevin D.]

Classic flamer imo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flaming_(Internet)

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[GhostFist]

on the topic of Bosch, I've found the quality of their products really dropping over the past few years. I guess they're good if you're just doing dirty work. I've got a wee bosch 12v driver that i Think is well worth the money but the rest of their stuff is about average IMO. Well I'll give them some credit for their Miter saws and their portable table saws over their competitors but the rest of their gear is going south

 

[lambeater]

Of your 3 posts, one is about Sortimo being better than systainers, one is about Bosch being better than Festool and the third is about Metabo. I just don't see why you would want to associate with everyone here, who largely are proud and happy Festool owners. Remains me of a certain Mr. John Distai...

So why exactly did you join the Festool Owners Group? Was it so that you could use the classified section to sell your unwanted Festools?

In which case,  [welcome] to the FOG!

Richard I have to agree with you on this. I'm thinking he's probably a descendant of one of those convicts that the english shipped to Tasmania in the old days and is still upset about it [big grin] [big grin] [big grin].
There doesn't seem to be any positive comments in his posts towards festool. Sad!!!

Lambeater

 

[jmbfestool]

Of your 3 posts, one is about Sortimo being better than systainers, one is about Bosch being better than Festool and the third is about Metabo. I just don't see why you would want to associate with everyone here, who largely are proud and happy Festool owners. Remains me of a certain Mr. John Distai...

So why exactly did you join the Festool Owners Group? Was it so that you could use the classified section to sell your unwanted Festools?

In which case,  [welcome] to the FOG!

I think he is just being a       

Jmb
Richard I have to agree with you on this. I'm thinking he's probably a descendant of one of those convicts that the english shipped to Tasmania in the old days and is still upset about it [big grin] [big grin] [big grin].
There doesn't seem to be any positive comments in his posts towards festool. Sad!!!

Lambeater

 

[aloysius]

Wow, is that last post funny! I guess the president of Bosch is named Aloysius...

No, Ron I'm not affiliated with any particular organisation. I'm just trying to articulate my respective experience with both types of container in response to a request.

So why exactly did you join the Festool Owners Group? Was it so that you could use the classified section to sell your unwanted Festools?

Richard, I joined the Festool Owner's Group to share, and acquire, information on tools.  I'm interested in new developments and innovations in power tools.  However ,I'm not necessarily enamoured with any particular brand.  I believe that some manufacturers are better than their peers at producing particular types, or "classes" of tool.  I really doubt the wisdom of criticising the relative merits of a particular tool to prospective purchasers!

Jmb
Richard I have to agree with you on this. I'm thinking he's probably a descendant of one of those convicts that the english shipped to Tasmania in the old days and is still upset about it  .
There doesn't seem to be any positive comments in his posts towards festool. Sad!!!

Lambeater, I'm disappointed with the dismissive nature of your post, especially given its overtly racial overtones.  My ancestry is indeed Welsh and Scottish, presumably similar to your own.  I have many colleagues who indeed have a long and proud Convict ancestry, many of whom are wealthy and successful community leaders.  Personal attacks are inappropriate on a number of levels, and demeaning to both parties.