What is the Precisio that the other guy was talking about? I googled it but did not see a saw. Still seems strange that festool would not bring them to this market. Doesn't cost them anything beside the freight. Looking at the mafell yet. How wide can it rip? The table don't seem very wide.
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Do a search for "Festool CS 70" It is what the TKS 80 is based on. There are Youtube videos where users have both set up and show interchanging features, etc.
The Mafell is not small, pictures make it look small, but look at the dimensions, it is actually rather large.
All of these saws are really focused on cross cuts, the push-pull function, the sliders, make them really good for cross cuts. This is where the TKS-80 could go well with a CS 70, as the saw stop function is most needed when doing rips, that is what gets your hands near the blade. Thus I could see owning both, one for rips, one for cross cuts.
The mafell has add ons to give it all the width for ripping you could have with any saw. I think they recently got rid of the rip fence though. Again, these types of saws are really good for cross cuts and replacing miter saws.
The Mafell is not small, pictures make it look small, but look at the dimensions, it is actually rather large.
All of these saws are really focused on cross cuts, the push-pull function, the sliders, make them really good for cross cuts. This is where the TKS-80 could go well with a CS 70, as the saw stop function is most needed when doing rips, that is what gets your hands near the blade. Thus I could see owning both, one for rips, one for cross cuts.
The mafell has add ons to give it all the width for ripping you could have with any saw. I think they recently got rid of the rip fence though. Again, these types of saws are really good for cross cuts and replacing miter saws.
The multi function MFA guide is the rip fence or you can use an extension and locks as a rip fence. The scale is on the table and it is dead accurate. It does excel at cross cuts and also rips. The table is longer than most and gives you extra support, which is nice. The saw can be configured for the task at hand. Does take some getting used to the workflow, but it is a nice machine. Super smooth, no vibration , accurate and compact.
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https://www.festool.com/products/sawing/trimming-saws/574776---cs-70-ebg#Overview
Push-pull type saw, similar to the Mafell Erika.
Push-pull type saw, similar to the Mafell Erika.
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I would purchase one since they fold up and store in less space. And they are probably pretty stable. Festool needs to tap into the North American market!
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The CS 50 starts at around €1,300 and the CS 70 €1,800 without adding the accessory kits. Nice saws but probably more than most consumers would be willing to pay in the US. Festool importing the TKS would just mean cannibalising sales of their existing portable Sawstop model.
I'd been through all this when I was looking to set up the shop at my home in Upstate NY and realised I could get a MiniMax 5-function machine from SCM just a few dollars more.https://www.scmgroup.com/en_US/scmw...ersal-combined-machines.887/minimax-c-30g.661
I'd been through all this when I was looking to set up the shop at my home in Upstate NY and realised I could get a MiniMax 5-function machine from SCM just a few dollars more.https://www.scmgroup.com/en_US/scmw...ersal-combined-machines.887/minimax-c-30g.661
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Drich,
I would do a proverbial "spit take" if Festool released the TKS80 in North America. As others have pointed out, the parent company already has the SawStop portable saw here, and they'd mostly just be scrambling their own sales by releasing the TKS80. Never mind developing a 120V motor and electronics to distribute an expensive saw to a notoriously stingy market (North America).
That being said, if you're willing to consider the price range of a TKS80, I'd strongly recommend considering the ERIKA 85. At $4,500.00 it is not an inexpensive machine, but it is peerless in its performance, and is readily available. After the recent facelift, the ERIKA saws are only available in 240V, so if you have 240V in your shop you're already set, and if you need to use the machine on-site you can use a step-up transformer.
It its stock configuration, the ERIKA saws will crosscut ~12" and rip ~9", which is more than enough for most work. Wider rips I'd handle with my track saw, and longer crosscuts can be handled with an accessory sliding table or a track saw. If you need the extra rip capacity, there is a kit to extend the rip capacity to something like 32" or so.
Plenty of videos on YouTube showing the various accessories in action.
I'm currently running a 120V ERIKA 70, if my van were to get hit by a comet today I'd order a ERIKA 85 and step-up transformer in a heartbeat.
As Peter Kelly points out, if you're mostly working in your shop a Hammer K3 or even a B3 would serve you very well for a similar price, but it sounds like your preference is for a portable machine.
ERIKA 85:https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-erika-85ec-pull-push-saw
Example step-up transformer:https://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/products/vt-4000-step-up-down-transformer-4000-watts
I would do a proverbial "spit take" if Festool released the TKS80 in North America. As others have pointed out, the parent company already has the SawStop portable saw here, and they'd mostly just be scrambling their own sales by releasing the TKS80. Never mind developing a 120V motor and electronics to distribute an expensive saw to a notoriously stingy market (North America).
That being said, if you're willing to consider the price range of a TKS80, I'd strongly recommend considering the ERIKA 85. At $4,500.00 it is not an inexpensive machine, but it is peerless in its performance, and is readily available. After the recent facelift, the ERIKA saws are only available in 240V, so if you have 240V in your shop you're already set, and if you need to use the machine on-site you can use a step-up transformer.
It its stock configuration, the ERIKA saws will crosscut ~12" and rip ~9", which is more than enough for most work. Wider rips I'd handle with my track saw, and longer crosscuts can be handled with an accessory sliding table or a track saw. If you need the extra rip capacity, there is a kit to extend the rip capacity to something like 32" or so.
Plenty of videos on YouTube showing the various accessories in action.
I'm currently running a 120V ERIKA 70, if my van were to get hit by a comet today I'd order a ERIKA 85 and step-up transformer in a heartbeat.
As Peter Kelly points out, if you're mostly working in your shop a Hammer K3 or even a B3 would serve you very well for a similar price, but it sounds like your preference is for a portable machine.
ERIKA 85:https://www.timberwolftools.com/mafell-erika-85ec-pull-push-saw
Example step-up transformer:https://www.voltage-converter-transformers.com/products/vt-4000-step-up-down-transformer-4000-watts
Up to here, it's still not clear to me whether the finger-saving feature is essential to the OP. If it's, he has no choices other than the SawStop or a Festool saw that has the same feature (TKS?) (assuming the Felder PCS is too big a saw for him, and the Bosch Reaxx (still available in Canada) is out of his reach). Everything else is just noise.
The Erika 85 cross cuts almost 17 inches (16 7/8). I think the standard configuration is super capable. I have the other accessories and pretty much only use the standard set up. Track saw for bigger rips and cross cuts like Tom said and narrow rips or accurate angles Erika.
Thanks for the info. I really don't care about the saw stop brake feature. I just was wanting a accurate smaller table saw. Most sheet good work get done with the MFT or track saw rails. Just wanted a step above a dewalt job site saw but not the big and heavy cabinet saw. That unicorn is not out there it seems. I really like the mafell but just not sure I want to spend that much as I'm wanting to get a cnc router.
