TCL3 made in china

[wmoc]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsoucing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

 

[Locks14]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated. 

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

 

[weekendwarrior]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated. 

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

Are you suggesting Festool's prices will stabilize by somehow decreasing, or perhaps by creating more value in including accessories with purchases?  [blink]

China most definitely produces cheap (inexpensive); inferior, I would agree, may be subjective.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated.

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

Everyone knows that quality products can be produced in China.  The objection is where companies choose to invest.  In part we all like supporting Festool because they employ workers in Germany at a fair wage.  I'd rather the tools were made in the US, but that isn't going to happen so I settle for Germany.  I will be less likely to support Festool if they choose to shift manufacturing to China.  That's not the economy I want to support. Also, I don't think Festool making products in China will control pricing much, if at all. 

 

[Locks14]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated.

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

Everyone knows that quality products can be produced in China.  The objection is where companies choose to invest.  In part we all like supporting Festool because they employ workers in Germany at a fair wage.  I'd rather the tools were made in the US, but that isn't going to happen so I settle for Germany.  I will be less likely to support Festool if they choose to shift manufacturing to China.  That's not the economy I want to support. Also, I don't think Festool making products in China will control pricing much, if at all.

Personally I really don't care about what economy I indirectly support. I just want quality tools at a fair price. As far as I'm concerned we can skip sociology 101 and the notion of the power of the many voting with their feet, so to speak.

Festool is a tiny fish in a massive pond and whether they invest in China or not is a drop in the ocean. For me China can just resolve their problems internally, if it means I can buy an OF2200 for £450 instead of £550.

The issues/problems in China are well beyond the scope of a niché European tool manufacturer!

 

[jacko9]

Festool "Made in China" will not find it's way into my shop, I buy Festool to avoid the other manufactures that have gone to the cheapest labor possible produced in a country that controls their currency and their people to their own advantage.

Jack

 

[Locks14]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated. 

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

Are you suggesting Festool's prices will stabilize by somehow decreasing, or perhaps by creating more value in including accessories with purchases?  [blink]

China most definitely produces cheap (inexpensive); inferior, I would agree, may be subjective.

Stabilise in terms that year on year, broad stroke price increases will cease and possibly prices decrease, if not in terms of raw price slashing, but in terms of (as you suggest) a more inclusive package. For example a parallel guide being standard with a £550+ router such as the OF2200 and not a costly "accessory".

 

[jacko9]

I'm the first to criticise Festool if I feel it's warranted. However, made in China isn't necessarily a bad thing, so long as Festool still specify the same tollorances and production standard as they would demand from their German factory.

The notion that China can only produce cheap, inferior products is outdated. 

The above notwithstanding, I do think if Festool are producing more items through China, the prices should begin to stabilise and come inline with other manufacturers (Bosch, Makita, Milwaukee, etc.) to offer a better value proposition and stop "dining out" on the Festool name being a supposed byword for superiority when they're often only an equal proposition against their competitors.

Are you suggesting Festool's prices will stabilize by somehow decreasing, or perhaps by creating more value in including accessories with purchases?  [blink]

China most definitely produces cheap (inexpensive); inferior, I would agree, may be subjective.

Stabilise in terms that year on year, broad stroke price increases will cease and possibly prices decrease, if not in terms of raw price slashing, but in terms of (as you suggest) a more inclusive package. For example a parallel guide being standard with a £550+ router such as the OF2200 and not a costly "accessory".

I don't know who own's Festool but here in the USA most manufacturing companies were bought out by banks and investment companies and parted out the companies for the maximum profit.  Any savings in cheaper manufacturing didn't automatically go to the customers but to the financial institutions that took over.

Jack

 

[Brice Burrell]

I don't know who own's Festool but here in the USA most manufacturing companies were bought out by banks and investment companies and parted out the companies for the maximum profit.  Any savings in cheaper manufacturing didn't automatically go to the customers but to the financial institutions that took over.

Jack

Festool is a privately held company.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Stabilise in terms that year on year, broad stroke price increases will cease and possibly prices decrease, if not in terms of raw price slashing, but in terms of (as you suggest) a more inclusive package. For example a parallel guide being standard with a £550+ router such as the OF2200 and not a costly "accessory".

I'd be very surprised if we ever see prices "stabilized" in any meaningful way.  Best case, price increase slows slightly. 

 

[bkharman]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsoucing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

Do you have any Apple products?  They are pretty high end things and they are made in (gasp!)

China.

 

[#Tee]

china isnt that bad... long as festool puts their name and does a superb job on quality control like any other stamp..ill pay top dollar.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsoucing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

Do you have any Apple products?  They are pretty high end things and they are made in (gasp!)

China.

This is one of the major reasons I don't own any apple products.

 

[zapdafish]

 

[Hanks]

Hi, I am new to this group so go easy on me. I had to sound in on this discussion as we talk about it at work daily.
I repair consumer electronics for a living and made in China is not my favorite statement. All I really wanted to add is
that China has probably thousands of Electronics manufacturing facilities. Pretty easy and tempting to go that route. Not sure how many  in Germany but I am sure there are very few in comparison. Even "high end" audio companies farm out a lot of the circuit board manufacturing to China. It is something we all have to accept. Does this mean that your Festool charger won't last as long as one made in Europe? Probably.
Chris

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsoucing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

Are you sure?

I have TCL3 charger and its made in Germany!

Never seen Festool made in China.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsoucing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

Do you have any Apple products?  They are pretty high end things and they are made in (gasp!)

China.

This is one of the major reasons I don't own any apple products.

I guess you have/had nothing made in China in your life ?

And what's wrong with iPone made in China?

Quality is second to none!

Show me something similar to iPhone,I mean quality built.

But again,I would not buy something from Festool if it said made in china.

 

[CumminsDiesel]

Hi, I am new to this group so go easy on me. I had to sound in on this discussion as we talk about it at work daily.
I repair consumer electronics for a living and made in China is not my favorite statement. All I really wanted to add is
that China has probably thousands of Electronics manufacturing facilities. Pretty easy and tempting to go that route. Not sure how many  in Germany but I am sure there are very few in comparison. Even "high end" audio companies farm out a lot of the circuit board manufacturing to China. It is something we all have to accept. Does this mean that your Festool charger won't last as long as one made in Europe? Probably.
Chris

Hanks,

I'm pretty sure if Festool made charger in China,it last long as one made in Germany,if not,there is no reason to pay top dollar.

A main reason (and not only) I choose Festool is quality,it's something like Apple,quality everywhere,and doesn't matter where it made.

BUT,I would not buy something from Festool if it said made in china,if its even a great quality,doesn't matter.

NO Festool for me if its made in China.

 

[Holmz]

I just noticed my tcl3 charger is made in China. If this is the start of the outsourcing for more profits, I will stop buying festool products.

The thread tone seems to follow a short version of Orwell's 1984.

The NAFTA and other trade agreements resulted in businesses moving off shore. I would not blame bankers per se... It was business and special interest groups resulting in politics. Nixon also pretty much restarted trade with China by restarting political dialogue.
A lot of Walmart products come from China, and boats are shipping raw materials there and bringing back goods.
The amount of US debt that China holds makes the average American just about 1/2 Chinese.

What amazes me is that many of the same people that complained about labour unions, and the cost of business in the US, now complain about inferior goods, and poor labour conditions in offshore places.

The Trumps, Romneys, and those interesting in maximising profits all realise that shifting to cheaper labor makes sense.
A more holistic, or social, or political approach, may result in different decisions.
However must businesses are in the business to stay in business.

You should probably return it if it is within the 30 day window.
I am not sure what else you would buy, though...
Even my Mafell A10M charger says "Made in China".
That battery still seems to charge up though.

 

[Bohdan]

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