The case for induction cooktops.

[PaulMarcel]

They show chopping and dicing directly on the stone top.  Would you do that?  Or would. You sue a cutting board?

uhg, no... like those popular glass cutting boards popular at your mom's house along with the collection of dead-dull knives.

Maybe if they integrated a set of ceramic stones and line the edge with leather for a strop?

Otherwise, a cool-looking concept. I wonder if the countertop can be of certain stone and certain thickness or if they have their own prepared countertops. I didn't look that far.

 

[Packard]

They show chopping and dicing directly on the stone top.  Would you do that?  Or would. You sue a cutting board?

uhg, no... like those popular glass cutting boards popular at your mom's house along with the collection of dead-dull knives.

Maybe if they integrated a set of ceramic stones and line the edge with leather for a strop?

Otherwise, a cool-looking concept. I wonder if the countertop can be of certain stone and certain thickness or if they have their own prepared countertops. I didn't look that far.

If you have a stone countertop, apparently it can be retrofitted.  It can be placed under the counter or in a drawer.  Of course you need the space under the counter or you lose the space in the drawer. 

But man made quartz is made from resin and ground quartz.  I doubt that the resin can handle the heat from a really hot pan.

I just looked that up.  It is designed to handle 150 degrees.  But know that you can put a pot of recently boiled water on the quartz, so closer to 190 - 200 degrees F. is apparently OK.  The manufacturers are playing it safe listing 150 degrees. 

Quartzite is translucent.  I wonder if you can see the mechanism through that.

 

[Cheese]

I like the TPB Tech idea and a single induction burner to augment the gas range sure would be nice. Those spacers/glides under the pan are also pretty cool. I wonder how much room/space you need under the stone countertop to house the induction components?

The food prep with knives on the stone is just plain stupid...sales & marketing at its ugliest.  [jawdrop]

Remember those HDPE cutting boards that were the rage several years back? You were supposed to have at least 2 of them, one for vegetables/fruit and one for protein. They were FDA-approved for their non-porous surface, were less prone to harbor bacteria and could be washed in the dishwasher. 

Well, I even got rid of my 2 HDPE cutting boards because they dulled the knives so fast, I went back to wood. I can only imagine how often you'd have to sharpen the knives if you used them on stone...like every time you used them and maybe even multiple times if you were prepping many items...think stir fry.

 

[guybo]

Well, I even got rid of my 2 HDPE cutting boards because they dulled the knives so fast, I went back to wood. I can only imagine how often you'd have to sharpen the knives if you used them on stone...like every time you used them and maybe even multiple times if you were prepping many items...think stir fry.

ya"ll need a veg-o-matic  [big grin]

 

[Packard]

I bought a co-worker a very nice mandolin slicer for Christmas.  It was highly rated.  It apparently terrified her and she never used it.

At some point mandolin slicers were the Vegomatics of their day.  I guarantee that they never sold 14 million of them. There must be something to the Vego design that made them so popular.

 

[PaulMarcel]

I bought a co-worker a very nice mandolin slicer for Christmas.  It was highly rated.  It apparently terrified her and she never used it.

As a kid, I used a plastic mandolin many times to slice potatoes. At least a few times, to also slice a finger. That cheapo plastic one had no wings on the handle: it was just a cup with spikes to hold the food. Later years, I saw the cheapo plastic ones with wings on the handle: finally!

Now there are some where you toss the food in a hopper and pump a handle like a slots addict in Vegas. Works really well and avoids fingers. It does also limit the ability to orient the food for slicing, if that matters for what you are doing.

The latest quality mandolins I see have a push chute in the handle and it rides on tracks with a full guard.

 

[Packard]

Not that fancy and a little over $100.00 back in 2016.  But it did come with a food holder.  So it did not seem that scary to me.  She made a salad for lunch most days, so I could tell she never used it.

 

[tjbnwi]

I bought a co-worker a very nice mandolin slicer for Christmas.  It was highly rated.  It apparently terrified her and she never used it.

At some point mandolin slicers were the Vegomatics of their day.  I guarantee that they never sold 14 million of them. There must be something to the Vego design that made them so popular.

My oldest daughter is terrified of the one she got. She has never taken it out of the packaging.

Tom

 

[tjbnwi]

Not that fancy and a little over $100.00 back in 2016.  But it did come with a food holder.  So it did not seem that scary to me.  She made a salad for lunch most days, so I could tell she never used it.

I have the OXO, use it at least once a week. Not a fan of the food holder.

Tom

 

[Packard]

Not that fancy and a little over $100.00 back in 2016.  But it did come with a food holder.  So it did not seem that scary to me.  She made a salad for lunch most days, so I could tell she never used it.

Can you make a better one yourself?  Using stainless steel nails and an old cutting board?

I have the OXO, use it at least once a week. Not a fan of the food holder.

Tom

 

[Cheese]

I have an older De Buyer, the food holder/pusher piece is great. I would say it's just about impossible to cut yourself unless you're really clumsy.

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The bad part however, is that after many dishwashing episodes, the plastic parts broke and I had to machine new parts from aluminum.  [sad]

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[live4ever]

Thought this was interesting…these are obviously for early adopters at this point but interesting where the tech might be headed:
https://electrek.co/2024/02/29/induction-ovens-with-big-batteries-solve-lots-of-problems/

 

[Cheese]

Thought this was interesting…these are obviously for early adopters at this point but interesting where the tech might be headed:
https://electrek.co/2024/02/29/induction-ovens-with-big-batteries-solve-lots-of-problems/

Thanks for that...it was a very interesting article and paints a path of what may be available in the future. The refrigerator back-up is nice, certainly easier than keeping an electric generator with stale gas, patiently waiting in the garage...just in case.  [tongue]

 

[live4ever]

Thought this was interesting…these are obviously for early adopters at this point but interesting where the tech might be headed:
https://electrek.co/2024/02/29/induction-ovens-with-big-batteries-solve-lots-of-problems/

Thanks for that...it was a very interesting article and paints a path of what may be available in the future. The refrigerator back-up is nice, certainly easier than keeping an electric generator with stale gas, patiently waiting in the garage...just in case.  [tongue]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

 

[Packard]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

 

[Cheese]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

Our current range is Dual Fuel so I'm good to go.  [smile]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

I'd be curious about the replacement cost for a new battery.  My neighbor has a Tesla and they want $15K to $20K for a complete battery replacement.  [eek]

My garage door opener has battery back-up and LiftMaster says the battery has enough capacity to cycle the garage door opener 6-8 times for an 18' wide steel door.

 

[Packard]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

Our current range is Dual Fuel so I'm good to go.  [smile]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

I'd be curious about the replacement cost for a new battery.  My neighbor has a Tesla and they want $15K to $20K for a complete battery replacement.  [eek]

My garage door opener has battery back-up and LiftMaster says the battery has enough capacity to cycle the garage door opener 6-8 times for an 18' wide steel door.

I thought the garage door opener always operated on batteries, and the line voltage was just to recharge the battery.

I didn’t think that battery was a backup.  I thought it was primary.

 

[squall_line]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

Our current range is Dual Fuel so I'm good to go.  [smile]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

I'd be curious about the replacement cost for a new battery.  My neighbor has a Tesla and they want $15K to $20K for a complete battery replacement.  [eek]

My garage door opener has battery back-up and LiftMaster says the battery has enough capacity to cycle the garage door opener 6-8 times for an 18' wide steel door.

I thought the garage door opener always operated on batteries, and the line voltage was just to recharge the battery.

I didn’t think that battery was a backup.  I thought it was primary.

That's not how my Liftmaster/chamberlain works, to my knowledge.  The unit runs noticeably and significantly slower on battery than on line voltage.

It saved our bacon in 2020 after a major storm left us without power for 13 days to allow us to get our vehicles out, but definitely died after the listed "6-8 times".

 

[live4ever]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

Our current range is Dual Fuel so I'm good to go.  [smile]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

I'd be curious about the replacement cost for a new battery.  My neighbor has a Tesla and they want $15K to $20K for a complete battery replacement.  [eek]

My garage door opener has battery back-up and LiftMaster says the battery has enough capacity to cycle the garage door opener 6-8 times for an 18' wide steel door.

The way these large lithium-ion batteries “fail” is just by having less capacity over time.  There is no “it died and I have to get a new one or the whole thing is dead” except in cases of manufacturing defects or trauma to the battery (read: putting a bullet through it or a bad car crash).  For something like a Tesla (and I own two of them), this means that the distance you could travel on a 100% charge would gradually reduce over time.  For Teslas specifically, the batteries degrade by about 10% over the first few years and then stabilize, then taking at least 200-300k miles to degrade to 70% of new capacity, at which point the battery is considered “failed.”  However, it still has 70% of its original capacity at this point, still pretty dang useful for most people.  With battery costs declining rapidly, replacements will become much cheaper, though it’s debatable why you’d want to replace the battery when the other parts of the car have over 300k miles. 

As this applies to the induction stoves and similar large batteries, they wouldn’t be expected to suddenly fail.  A critical component of these large batteries is the software that manages their charging/discharging and maintenance.  Any competent manufacturer that is going to utilize these batteries is going to have to be first an expert in that arena.  They would be expected to outlast the life of the appliance or its other components.  Of course, not all battery manufacturers are equal…

 

[Packard]

Fridge backup is an interesting application of the battery, though it does negate one of the advantages - not having to do any wiring if you’re only set up for gas with a regular 120v outlet.

Our current range is Dual Fuel so I'm good to go.  [smile]

I would imagine that a new 240V line would cost less than replacing the battery when it goes dead.

On the other hand, I would have preferred my garage door operator to have been battery operated.  That way, when there is a power outage my garage door would still open and close.  At most, it would need to operate the door 4 or 6 times.  Power outages in my area are rarely longer than 12 hours.

I'd be curious about the replacement cost for a new battery.  My neighbor has a Tesla and they want $15K to $20K for a complete battery replacement.  [eek]

My garage door opener has battery back-up and LiftMaster says the battery has enough capacity to cycle the garage door opener 6-8 times for an 18' wide steel door.

I thought the garage door opener always operated on batteries, and the line voltage was just to recharge the battery.

I didn’t think that battery was a backup.  I thought it was primary.

That's not how my Liftmaster/chamberlain works, to my knowledge.  The unit runs noticeably and significantly slower on battery than on line voltage.

It saved our bacon in 2020 after a major storm left us without power for 13 days to allow us to get our vehicles out, but definitely died after the listed "6-8 times".

My Craftsman garage door operators (two doors, two operators) can be manually opened and closed by first pulling on an overhead cord that disconnects the door from the chain drive, and then lifting manually.

If the electricity is out, then I have to go through the front door and (usually) negotiate through the dark house to where I keep my flashlight.  Then out to the garage and manually open the door and then manually close it. 

The real burden is when the electricity comes back on.  The unit is often reluctant to reconnect to the chain drive. 

On a side note, we all acknowledge that the electric garage door opener is a great convenience.  Less often noted is the security and safety advantage of the remote operation.

Your wife or your daughter gets home late.  The house is dark.  She gets out of the car to open the door and some bad guy is hiding in the bushes.

Or…

Your wife or your daughter gets home late.  The house is dark.  She pushes the remote button and the garage door opens and the garage is lit up.  Her car is locked.  She drives into the garage, shuts off the engine and pushed the remote to close the door.  The bad guy is still in the bushes.

I would note that the wife or daughter should close the door while still in the locked car using the remote.  Then exit the car and enter the house.  (This applies to houses with garages attached to the house.). Most modern cars automatically lock the doors as you drive off.  So a real safety benefit.

This is not being paranoid; it is simply best practices.  No extra work; just a prescribed procedure.

You live in a good neighborhood?  Why break into a rundown, low value house?  A upscale house is going to have more valuables to steal.