The CT 26 & 36 launch October 1st... ask your questions here!

[tbellemare]

at least 7 years

Tom

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

at least 7 years

Allow me to emphasize a minimum of seven years.

 

[tjbier]

I assume that the 26 and 36 are HEPA cert? Did the 22 and 33 ever get approval?
Now having too deal with the lead stuff would be the only reason to switch for me.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

I assume that the 26 and 36 are HEPA cert? Did the 22 and 33 ever get approval?
Now having too deal with the lead stuff would be the only reason to switch for me.

I hope they know the answer for this one too.

 

[jhark123]

I assume that the 26 and 36 are HEPA cert? Did the 22 and 33 ever get approval?
Now having too deal with the lead stuff would be the only reason to switch for me.

I hope they know the answer for this one too.

Me three, I'll probably sell my ct22 and get a 26 if this is the case.

 

[Sean7a]

Guys, I'll let Shane give you the full run down on this.  They're technically at testing now with the EPA.  I've actually been shocked to learn recently that even Fein, whom we all thought was EPA approved and HEPA certified, technically is not.  Can anyone support this statement, or is there an actual list in existence, provided by the EPA, that states what vaccums and model #'s are approved?

The most difficult requirements that Festool has had in creating an EPA approved HEPA vac is the fact that there are no requirements, guidelines, rules set in stone.  EVERYTHING is very wishy washy

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

Guys, I'll let Shane give you the full run down on this.  They're technically at testing now with the EPA.  I've actually been shocked to learn recently that even Fein, whom we all thought was EPA approved and HEPA certified, technically is not.  Can anyone support this statement, or is there an actual list in existence, provided by the EPA, that states what vaccums and model #'s are approved?

The most difficult requirements that Festool has had in creating an EPA approved HEPA vac is the fact that there are no requirements, guidelines, rules set in stone.  EVERYTHING is very wishy washy

Yes, you are right, it is very vague.

I think the only real things that matter is a certified hepa filter, needs some sort of stamping or printing on it (each filter must be tested) and a sealed motor or something about having a sealed vac.

I think if push came to shove, the 22's, 33's and the new ones would be more then needed by the concerned party's.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said.  The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP.  In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements.  Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.

However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested.  The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.

We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.

Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters.  There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.

In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.

 

[Sean7a]

I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said.  The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP.  In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements.  Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.

However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested.  The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.

We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.

Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters.  There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.

In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.

In my mind this is huge.  Technically, it's a subjective issue if a dust extractor meets requirements.  There are no guidelines nor any extractors out there that are 100% approved in writing.  It's a total crapshoot.  If I were you guys, I'd just go Festool

 

[RONWEN]

I have been considering an OF2200 router -- are there any package deals in the offering for the CT36/OF2200?

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

I have been considering an OF2200 router -- are there any package deals in the offering for the CT36/OF2200?

Yes, here are the details.

P36574277
Package OF 2200 + CT 36
$1,340

Package savings = $60

 

[Sean7a]

I have been considering an OF2200 router -- are there any package deals in the offering for the CT36/OF2200?

Yessir....
                                                                          Regular          Package            Savings
P36574277 Package OF 2200 + CT 36 $1,400.00 $1,340.00 $60.00

 

[jhark123]

I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said.  The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP.  In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements.  Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.

However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested.  The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.

We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.

Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters.  There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.

In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.

In my mind this is huge.  Technically, it's a subjective issue if a dust extractor meets requirements.  There are no guidelines nor any extractors out there that are 100% approved in writing.  It's a total crapshoot.  If I were you guys, I'd just go Festool

To me, as a contractor, the RRP rules, vacuums and the non-existant certification circles around liability.  If someone questions my vacuum (client or EPA) with a Fein I can point to Fein's written statements that it meets the requirements.  Fein retroactively "certified" their older vacs, that is what all of us would like Festool to do.

I know and you know that Festools meet the requirements, but until Festool says it in writing they are worthless for RRP work.

 

[Sean7a]

I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said.  The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP.  In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements.  Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.

However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested.  The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.

We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.

Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters.  There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.

In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.

In my mind this is huge.  Technically, it's a subjective issue if a dust extractor meets requirements.  There are no guidelines nor any extractors out there that are 100% approved in writing.  It's a total crapshoot.  If I were you guys, I'd just go Festool

You have to keep in mind just because Fein SAYS they're certified doesn't protect you whatsoever in the name of the law.  I'm sure you could bring that to court, but not too sure (and somewhat doubtful) if it'll hold up

To me, as a contractor, the RRP rules, vacuums and the non-existant certification circles around liability.  If someone questions my vacuum (client or EPA) with a Fein I can point to Fein's written statements that it meets the requirements.  Fein retroactively "certified" their older vacs, that is what all of us would like Festool to do.

I know and you know that Festools meet the requirements, but until Festool says it in writing they are worthless for RRP work.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Just to reiterate, there is no RRP-compliant vacuum certification process, so no manufacturer can claim that they are certified.  There are no established testing guidelines or protocol.

Even having the guidelines call for HEPA is vague since there are many levels and standards for HEPA filtration which widely vary in extraction efficiency.

 

[Sean7a]

Just to reiterate, there is no RRP-compliant vacuum certification process, so no manufacturer can claim that they are certified.  There is established testing guidelines or protocol.

Even having the guidelines call for HEPA is vague since there are many levels and standards for HEPA filtration which widely vary in extraction efficiency.

That's powerful stuff

 

[cerv]

Back to the CT 26/36 question.....Are we able to add an additional power switch module like it was pointed in the review by Frank-Jan from Belgium?

I forgot to ask that question yesterday to the Festool regional rep during his tool demo day at a local wood shop store.  Also, he did have the CT36 with him commented that it was received the day before.  So a spanking new CT36 for me to check out.  On my way back home, I realized that I did not take a picture of the vacuum [oops] Oh well..... [embarassed]
Anyway, the vacuum had the handle, top and rear accessory storage mount installed. The size is pretty much like the CT33 or as a different perspective like a 18 gal Rubbermaid storage container.  On thing for sure, the CT26/36 is aimed to be mainly at the shop. It didn't feel too heavy but again it was virtually empty. If you think that you are going to generate a lot of dust, go with the CT36 for extra $50.  It is only 56 mm (about 2 3/16" )higher.

 

[James Metcalf]

I think the CT 36 is only 1.1 lb. heavier than the CT26. Without dirt.  [big grin]

 

[Brice Burrell]

Back to the CT 26/36 question.....Are we able to add an additional power switch module like it was pointed in the review by Frank-Jan from Belgium?...

No, Shane (from Festool) said it was not allowed by the good folks at UL.

.....On thing for sure, the CT26/36 is aimed to be mainly at the shop. It didn't feel too heavy but again it was virtually empty.....

That might be the case for the CT36 but the 26 is pretty much the same size as the 22 and there are plenty of guys using the 22 as a jobsite vac, so I think the same will be true of the CT26.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Regarding the size difference between the old and new models.... The 26/36 are noticeably more narrow than the 22/33.  If you feel that the 36 would be too heavy, consider adding a handle and just rolling it in and out of the jobsite.

Like Brice said, and I already mentioned, the additional power outlet will not be available in the U.S. for UL reason.  Yes, I know... Dang UL approval process!