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Tom Bellemare said:at least 7 years
tjbier said:I assume that the 26 and 36 are HEPA cert? Did the 22 and 33 ever get approval?
Now having too deal with the lead stuff would be the only reason to switch for me.
WarnerConstCo. said:tjbier said:I assume that the 26 and 36 are HEPA cert? Did the 22 and 33 ever get approval?
Now having too deal with the lead stuff would be the only reason to switch for me.
I hope they know the answer for this one too.
Sean Ackerman said:Guys, I'll let Shane give you the full run down on this. They're technically at testing now with the EPA. I've actually been shocked to learn recently that even Fein, whom we all thought was EPA approved and HEPA certified, technically is not. Can anyone support this statement, or is there an actual list in existence, provided by the EPA, that states what vaccums and model #'s are approved?
The most difficult requirements that Festool has had in creating an EPA approved HEPA vac is the fact that there are no requirements, guidelines, rules set in stone. EVERYTHING is very wishy washy
Shane Holland said:I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said. The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP. In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements. Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.
However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested. The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.
We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.
Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters. There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.
In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.
RonWen said:I have been considering an OF2200 router -- are there any package deals in the offering for the CT36/OF2200?
RonWen said:I have been considering an OF2200 router -- are there any package deals in the offering for the CT36/OF2200?
Sean Ackerman said:Shane Holland said:I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said. The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP. In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements. Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.
However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested. The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.
We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.
Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters. There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.
In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.
In my mind this is huge. Technically, it's a subjective issue if a dust extractor meets requirements. There are no guidelines nor any extractors out there that are 100% approved in writing. It's a total crapshoot. If I were you guys, I'd just go Festool
jhark123 said:Sean Ackerman said:Shane Holland said:I'll pretty much echo what Sean already said. The EPA did not provide a method for certification, so no dust extractor on the market is certified for RRP. In fact, they did not provide testing methods to test if a dust extractor meets their requirements. Furthermore, they didn't even consider that dust extraction means nothing if you don't have a tool with high dust extraction efficiency.
However, with all of that said, we do have the CT 26 & 36 at a laboratory being tested. The best we may be able to do is provide those test results to prospective buyers and let them decide or, preferably, speak with their local EPA inspector(s) to see if they feel that it meets or surpasses their less-than-specific requirements.
We will have a more specific response to this question prior to the launch of the new CTs.
Regarding the CT 22 and 33, as we have always said, they come with HEPA filters. There will probably not be any more detail provided beyond that statement with regard to RRP.
In short, this is just as challenging and frustrating for manufacturers as it is for contractors because the rules are so vague.
In my mind this is huge. Technically, it's a subjective issue if a dust extractor meets requirements. There are no guidelines nor any extractors out there that are 100% approved in writing. It's a total crapshoot. If I were you guys, I'd just go Festool
You have to keep in mind just because Fein SAYS they're certified doesn't protect you whatsoever in the name of the law. I'm sure you could bring that to court, but not too sure (and somewhat doubtful) if it'll hold up
To me, as a contractor, the RRP rules, vacuums and the non-existant certification circles around liability. If someone questions my vacuum (client or EPA) with a Fein I can point to Fein's written statements that it meets the requirements. Fein retroactively "certified" their older vacs, that is what all of us would like Festool to do.
I know and you know that Festools meet the requirements, but until Festool says it in writing they are worthless for RRP work.
Shane Holland said:Just to reiterate, there is no RRP-compliant vacuum certification process, so no manufacturer can claim that they are certified. There is established testing guidelines or protocol.
Even having the guidelines call for HEPA is vague since there are many levels and standards for HEPA filtration which widely vary in extraction efficiency.
cerv said:Back to the CT 26/36 question.....Are we able to add an additional power switch module like it was pointed in the review by Frank-Jan from Belgium?...
cerv said:.....On thing for sure, the CT26/36 is aimed to be mainly at the shop. It didn't feel too heavy but again it was virtually empty.....