The CT 26 & 36 launch October 1st... ask your questions here!

[Texastutt]

I'm waiting for mine... I've held off on buying a CT22 all year. My Fein is still running great, but at 15 years in "the business" it may give out as it looks worse for the wear. BUT I also want two vacc's one for inside and one for outside or when I'm all Festooled up my workstation.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

It is kind of hard to wheel it up 2 flights of stairs Shane. [poke]

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

It is kind of hard to wheel it up 2 flights of stairs Shane. [poke]

Only take jobs that are downstairs.  [blink]

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

It is kind of hard to wheel it up 2 flights of stairs Shane. [poke]

Only take jobs that are downstairs.  [blink]

Maybe you could make the vacs hover like the hover boards in Back To the Future? [big grin]

 

[peter halle]

Here are ideas Darcy:  http://mikesenese.com/DOIT/2009/12/diy-hovercraft-plans

 

[Brice Burrell]

It is kind of hard to wheel it up 2 flights of stairs Shane. [poke]

Only take jobs that are downstairs.  [blink]

Maybe you could make the vacs hover like the hover boards in Back To the Future? [big grin]

Wrong thread Darcy, add it to the fill in the blank thread. [big grin]

 

[Corwin]

It is kind of hard to wheel it up 2 flights of stairs Shane. [poke]

Only take jobs that are downstairs.  [blink]

Maybe you could make the vacs hover like the hover boards in Back To the Future? [big grin]

You must be thinking of a Hoover Vacuum.

 

[TJ Cornish]

I'm in need of a Rotex very soon and want to upgrade my vac from the Fein I have to the new CT26.  Is there any possibility of doing the package deal with the Rotex plus CT26 before the October release - pre ordering the CT26 or something?  I'd love to get the discount of the package, but may not be able to wait to buy the Rotex.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

I'm in need of a Rotex very soon and want to upgrade my vac from the Fein I have to the new CT26.  Is there any possibility of doing the package deal with the Rotex plus CT26 before the October release - pre ordering the CT26 or something?  I'd love to get the discount of the package, but may not be able to wait to buy the Rotex.

Interesting question.  I'm not sure and it would be up to your Festool dealer of choice.  From my experience on the retail side, you're not supposed to charge a credit card until the product ships.  I'm not sure how a dealer would handle that since it's a package.  So, I would defer to your dealer to decide whether they can accommodate you.

Welcome to the forum, TJ.

PS - Dealers, if you want to respond to this, I think it would be best to handle it via PM.  Thanks.

 

[Kevin D.]

Nice preview video from the Atlanta 2010 IWF show.  Now I understand the self-cleaning and how this works.  I wonder how much the bags will cost though.

!

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Now I understand the self-cleaning and how this works.  I wonder how much the bags will cost though.

496187 - 5 Filter bags for CT 26 - $31.00
496186 - 5 Filter bags for CT 36 -  $35.50

Just to elaborate on what Rick said about the self-cleaning bags, which is a pretty neat technology, here are some more details.


It's in the bag.

The new Cleantex CT 26 and CT 36 models feature a self-cleaning filter bag that solves a problem that plagues other dust extractors and vacuums. During normal use, fine particles of dust cling to the inner lining of the filter bag resulting in caking. This coating of dust lowers the effective suction power dramatically resulting in poor extraction efficiency and performance. Caking can also cause additional strain on your dust extractor's motor and contribute to premature failure.

Festool has addressed this issue by developing a unique pliable fleece filter bag. Because the bag is not rigid like many other types of bags, such as paper bags, it prevents caking. This means that your Festool CT 26 or CT 36 dust extractor continues to deliver full suction until the bag is virtually completely full. Other manufacturers' bags do not counter this caking effect and suction is reduced dramatically throughout the use of the bag, often resulting in a situation where suction is lost before the bag is completely full. When this occurs, you're paying full price for a partially used bag.

The Festool filter bag also serves as a pre-filter and is able to trap dust particles down to five millionths of a meter, or 5 microns. This is about the same size as a red blood cell. By arresting these small particles, in addition to larger chips, the bag extends the life of your main HEPA filter, reducing wear and tear as well as the expense of frequent filter replacement.

Bag disposal is quick and mess-free. An integrated closure on the bag shuts the opening to prevent spilling. The material is made to be tear resistant and prevent bag blow outs which can be messy to clean up. Now, that's smart.

Principles of the Self-Cleaning Filter Bag

Refer to the image below.

During the first stage, the dust extractor has been used for a period of time. As air is drawn in from the hose and expelled through the exhaust housing in the rear, a layer of dust particles has begun to build up on the bag lining. This is build up is typical in all types of vacuum and extractor bags.

In the next stage, power has been turned off. With the Cleantex CT 26 and 36 units' self-cleaning filter bag, the pliable bag material allows it to begin to collapse when suction is removed. The bag crumples onto itself as it deflates. The crumpling helps break up dust clinging to the bag lining.

As the dust extractor is turned back on, the bag reinflates quickly. The bag "snaps" back into its inflated position which further breaks loose dust particles and they fall to the bottom of the bag.

Suction efficiency as bag fills.

In the graph below, we compare the suction efficiency (cubic feet per minute, or CFM) as the filter bag fills up. A standard filter bag's performance is represented in red, the newly developed Cleantex self-cleaning filter bag is shown in green.

Over time, from left to right, the filter bag is going from empty to completely full. From top to bottom, we see the level of suction being produced. Over time, the self-cleaning filter bag retains near-full suction until the bag is full. Conversely, a standard bag causes the vacuum to reduce in suction efficiency the more full the bag.

This and more coming soon to a web browser near you, with complete details on the new CTs.

 

[dbworkshop]

Hey Shane,

You might want to fix the specs on the CT Mini.

Dust Extractor Overview

Bring on October!

Dan

 

[Kevin D.]

Any idea if they will come out with the same bag material for the older style CT's.  Or is there an inherent design issue that makes this impossible?

It seems to me, that it's the material that makes this possible more than anything else.  I do note however that the roof area of the bag being bigger in the new bags would help this technology work better than the size of that of the older units, but I still think that they should simply be changing the material used in the old ones to the new ones.  Would you know if they even tried to use the material for the older ones?

Also, what is the micron efficiency of the old ones versus the new ones?

Also, would they also have a reuseable bag available also for the new model?

 

[Bob Marino]

Now I understand the self-cleaning and how this works.  I wonder how much the bags will cost though.

496187 - 5 Filter bags for CT 26 - $31.00
496186 - 5 Filter bags for CT 36 -  $35.50

Just to elaborate on what Rick said about the self-cleaning bags, which is a pretty neat technology, here are some more details.


It's in the bag.

The new Cleantex CT 26 and CT 36 models feature a self-cleaning filter bag that solves a problem that plagues other dust extractors and vacuums. During normal use, fine particles of dust cling to the inner lining of the filter bag resulting in caking. This coating of dust lowers the effective suction power dramatically resulting in poor extraction efficiency and performance. Caking can also cause additional strain on your dust extractor's motor and contribute to premature failure.

Festool has addressed this issue by developing a unique pliable fleece filter bag. Because the bag is not rigid like many other types of bags, such as paper bags, it prevents caking. This means that your Festool CT 26 or CT 36 dust extractor continues to deliver full suction until the bag is virtually completely full. Other manufacturers' bags do not counter this caking effect and suction is reduced dramatically throughout the use of the bag, often resulting in a situation where suction is lost before the bag is completely full. When this occurs, you're paying full price for a partially used bag.

The Festool filter bag also serves as a pre-filter and is able to trap dust particles down to five millionths of a meter, or 5 microns. This is about the same size as a red blood cell. By arresting these small particles, in addition to larger chips, the bag extends the life of your main HEPA filter, reducing wear and tear as well as the expense of frequent filter replacement.

Bag disposal is quick and mess-free. An integrated closure on the bag shuts the opening to prevent spilling. The material is made to be tear resistant and prevent bag blow outs which can be messy to clean up. Now, that's smart.

Principles of the Self-Cleaning Filter Bag

Refer to the image below.

During the first stage, the dust extractor has been used for a period of time. As air is drawn in from the hose and expelled through the exhaust housing in the rear, a layer of dust particles has begun to build up on the bag lining. This is build up is typical in all types of vacuum and extractor bags.

In the next stage, power has been turned off. With the Cleantex CT 26 and 36 units' self-cleaning filter bag, the pliable bag material allows it to begin to collapse when suction is removed. The bag crumples onto itself as it deflates. The crumpling helps break up dust clinging to the bag lining.

As the dust extractor is turned back on, the bag reinflates quickly. The bag "snaps" back into its inflated position which further breaks loose dust particles and they fall to the bottom of the bag.

Suction efficiency as bag fills.

In the graph below, we compare the suction efficiency (cubic feet per minute, or CFM) as the filter bag fills up. A standard filter bag's performance is represented in red, the newly developed Cleantex self-cleaning filter bag is shown in green.

Over time, from left to right, the filter bag is going from empty to completely full. From top to bottom, we see the level of suction being produced. Over time, the self-cleaning filter bag retains near-full suction until the bag is full. Conversely, a standard bag causes the vacuum to reduce in suction efficiency the more full the bag.

This and more coming soon to a web browser near you, with complete details on the new CTs.

Thanks Shane...again...and again.

Bob

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Would you know if they even tried to use the material for the older ones?

Also, what is the micron efficiency of the old ones versus the new ones?

Also, would they also have a reuseable bag available also for the new model?

Lots of questions there, Kevin.  Let's see...

No, I don't think we will see the new material for MINI/MIDI/22/33 because it's more than just the bag.  It's the design of the containment area and the filter position.  The micron efficiency for all bags, if memory serves me, has been 5 microns.  That has not changed. Yes, the long life bag will be available for the 26/36.

 

[tjbnwi]

According to this article the spokesman for the EPA states they do not certify the vacuums.

http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/industry-news.asp?sectionID=0&articleID=1365162

It is in the 4th and 5th section.

Looking at the flow diagram of the vacuum shown I would say it qualifies. All the air enters the hose, and even with out the bag it all pass through the filter. As I understand it they are HEPA filters.

If there is a definite rule to follow there is no wiggle room in any type of legal action. So there will never be any definite and easily followable definition. The lawyers will not allow it.

Make sure you read the last section.

Tom

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Interesting article, Tom. Seems that the EPA is considering amending the rules to be more specific.

 

[Kodi Crescent]

I have a CT 22 with a boom arm and handle.  I really don't like the thing onsite, so I am considering selling it and trying this.  So let me see if I have this correct - If I buy a CT26 and want to use the boom arm, I have to purchase a new handle for $75 AND some other part for $33?

Aside from capacity and power, how does the CT26 compare to the Mini or Midi?  Are either the Mini or Midi being rejuvenated in the near future?

Thanks!

 

[Wood_Junkie]

I have a CT 22 with a boom arm and handle.  I really don't like the thing onsite, so I am considering selling it and trying this.  So let me see if I have this correct - If I buy a CT26 and want to use the boom arm, I have to purchase a new handle for $75 AND some other part for $33?

Aside from capacity and power, how does the CT26 compare to the Mini or Midi?  Are either the Mini or Midi being rejuvenated in the near future?

Thanks!

Only my uninformed opinion (although I do own a Midi).

It appears that the CT 26/36 are sort of the best-features of the Mini/Midi style, grafted with the 22/33 size and capacity, merged with a long-life bag.  

What I mean is, the integrated hose cord garage, vac port out the front, the latches and lift off body and filter with just a base/cavity for the bag.  Also, the front toe-kick lock.

All in all, these are probably a testament to Festool's listening to user feedback and seeing trends that developed about the CT22 & 33.
I feel the Midi has been *ideal* for my uses, just a tad lacking on capacity (and I really prefer the 36mm hose).  I foresee a CT26 in my 2011 future... I haven't decided yet if it will replace or augment the Midi.

By the by... the Festoolusa site has a nice overview of the new CTs here:  http://hepa.festoolusa.com/
But.... at the end of that write up is a li'l picture of a new friend, THAT IS NAINA.   Boo   [crying]

 

[Brice Burrell]

I have a CT 22 with a boom arm and handle.  I really don't like the thing onsite, so I am considering selling it and trying this.  So let me see if I have this correct - If I buy a CT26 and want to use the boom arm, I have to purchase a new handle for $75 AND some other part for $33?

Aside from capacity and power, how does the CT26 compare to the Mini or Midi?  Are either the Mini or Midi being rejuvenated in the near future?

Thanks!

Shane has already addressed these questions.  Yes, you'll need a new handle and the mounting bracket.  No plans in the near future to update the Mini/Midi.